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In any event, for 13 pts, we can all safely agree that they are not worth it. For 12 pts one can get 3 termagaunts which are more useful on every conceivable level.

Well, if they aren't eating themselves anymore out of synapse (at least more than anything else), that's a step up.

Uh...read that again, it is S and T 3. Not 5.

I couldn't parse out all the deets on the ripper swarms (there are special rules there and I can't read the copy very well). Why do you think they are going to be worth taking for once?

Not really, Tervigons double as both. 90 termagants is only 360 pts. Three tervigons with crushing claws and regeneration are 705 pts. You have all your bases covered there at 1065 pts and now you can get a Hive Tyrant on the cheap for funsies at about 200 and then you have about 700 pts to spam carnifexes and exocrines if you want. You could easily get 5 carnifexes with fleet and nothing else. That's a pretty nasty force at 2k vs most armies, since you are flooding the board with bodies and have answers in melee for most anything.

I couldn't agree more. They dropped from the codex most of the stuff they never made models for: Ymgarls Mycetic Spores Parasite Sad.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see the book and see how all the moving parts fit, but I'm really un-enthused about a lot of this and I tend to be optimistic about most new dexes. It really seems like they want us to do what the bat rep in WD did, spam MCs with regen.

Yes, all the old options remain.

Very true. I can't help but think that the hordes of little guys are going to be completely useless in this dex. I'm wondering if there's some rule about models that already have fleet getting an additional buff if they get AD. ATM, horms still are pretty worthless, terms are still pretty much just tervigon unlockers, genestealers appear to still be overpriced, warriors got better with having access to 'nades, but they are still not that thrilling. I can't believe pyrovores are essentially the same after basically being one of the consensus worst units ever. Just a lot of stuff I'm really bummed about, and the only stuff that looks worthwhile are the MCs still. :( I just can't figure out why GW can't balance hordes right. Then again, we'll see...

OK, I think crushing claws add armorbane (anteblindage translates to anti armor) and the second word appears to be specialist (aparatoso: spectacular). So you'd have base 3 attacks at S10 with Armorbane. Don't think it is worth it on the carnifex since it can get to S10 on the charge with adrenal glands (and, seriously, why WOULDN'T you do a screamer killer with fleet?). There are a lot of rules that would be in the bestiary like living battering ram and I can't read the page with lictors. :/ AGH, I want to see this codex SO bad.

Translates to Stealthy Death roughly. Or Quiet Death.

What a surprise!

I know, right!? LOL. It is a LITERAL translation of swarmlord, coming out to be "The Lord of the Swarm/Horde" I like The Lord of the Horde better, come to think of it.

Oh intrinzic, you so silly. :D

page 9 of this thread. Last two spoiler tabs.

intrinzic, those are scans of the dex in spanish. I'm reading the points totals.

If I'm reading this right, the dual scything talons might give you a bonus attacks as being two different CCWs... Not 100% on that but that makes them more viable. Would also explain the reduction in attacks for most units. If that's correct, then a fleeting carnifex is 135 pts for 5 base attacks at S9 with 4 T6 wounds and 3+ save. It will also have furious charge so it should have 6 S10 attacks at I2. I'm trying to parse out the one weapon upgrade that I think is crushing claws, "garras trituradors". I think it has armorbane, but I'm not sure.

Hard to guess at what a few of the rules are. I think corage (courage) is fearless, but it also might be stubborn. Not sure.

Yeah, that says scything talons are AP6 and nothing else. It also confirms rending claws are AP5 and rending. I love being able to read Spanish.

I would really like to see confirmations on what rending claws and scything talons and adrenal glands do.

I want more.

LOL, true, considering I never change my lists. :D

Gaming in the UK can be ultracompetitive. Some of the old 7th Edition Fantasy Official GW GT tournaments over there brought out the meanest types of lists wielded by really good generals.

What I mean is that biomancy spam was the only viable build for Nids in 6th. It was tedious.