Drak

it's not cheesy, it's how they were designed to be played. hexwraiths get their value in the moving and magic phase. once you get them in combat they die to CR like crazy. an you are limited to the damage effect of going through units to once per unit per phase.

I stand corrected :)

good job continuing to flush this on out.

I think for the first example you played it right as the models in the "rear ranks" would normally slide over to be in base contact on the flank but because the cauldron can't slide over your '1122' models aren't in contact with anything.

as for the second question I believe the answer is yes, a character model can make way to a flank or rear charge given that they are not in combat already. my understanding is they replace a rank and file model on the flank if able but would be able to move over still if one is not available (say for example you only have another character on the flank, the make way character would just move over to fight alongside the character already on the flank).

thanks NtK, that's the response I was going for, lots of skellies with a spattering of really stand out characters to paint up.

on the hobby side I'm going to attempt for the first time to do custom resin bases for that extra touch.

this is what I'm thinking of for next year. it comps at a 19.7 using a starting value of 300 for 2800pts (but doesn't account for the Morghast Archai as they don't have a comp yet, and I'm no sure if they will even be allowed in). 19.7 is likely too soft a list so some small changes will be in order. any suggestions would be appreciated. comp values are in parenthesis.

Drak on Azul (Vampire Lord) (-15)

+ lv 1 Lore of Vamps

+ Talisman of Preservation

+ The Other Trickster's Shard

+ Charmed Shield

+ Book Of Arkhan (-5)

+ Aura Of Dark Majesty

+ Beguile

+ Summon Creatures Of The Night

+ Dread Knight

+ Great Weapon

+ Heavy Armour

+ Zombie Dragon (-5)

Vampire (-7)

+ lv 2 Lore of Vamps (-5)

+ Dispel Scroll (-7)

+ Glittering Scales

+ Dread Knight

+ Quickblood (-3)

+ Summon Creatures Of The Night

+ Additional Hand Weapon

+ Shield

+ Battle Standard (-5)

Wight King (-4)

+ Armour of Destiny

+ Great Weapon

Wight King (-4)

+ Dragonbane Gem

+ Armour of Silvered Steel

+ Great Weapon

34 Skeleton Warriors (-3)

+ Musician

+ Standard Bearer

34 Skeleton Warriors (-3)

+ Musician

+ Standard Bearer

30 Skeleton Warriors (-3)

+ Banner of Eternal Flame

+ spears

+ Skeleton Champion

+ Musician

+ Standard Bearer

5 Dire Wolves (-2)

+ Doom Wolf

5 Dire Wolves (-2)

5 Dire Wolves (-2)

27 Grave Guard (-13)

+ Banner Of The Barrows (-4)

+ Replace Shields With Great weapons

+ Seneschal

+ Musician

+ Standard Bearer

2 Bat Swarms (-3)

2 Bat Swarms (-3)

Black Coach (-5)

2 morghast archai (unknown comp value)

I'm curious what point value people are currently planning around (and comping) for 2015?

I think it would be cool to see a Deamons army with the glittering/rainbow sand/gravel that I think I've read about in various novels. colorful, fluffy, easy to do. just my two cents.

little nuances like that are all over the place with this game. I learned by playing my ghoul king wrong for a few games. it's somewhat comforting knowing I'm not alone in missing these.

I'd be down for that, and I only field blood knights for that very reason.

on a side note this build can take the charge (IMO) and really dish out the pain if they get the charge (yay lances).

Vampire Lord

+ Ogre Blade

+ Talisman of Preservation

+ The Other Trickster's Shard

+ Red Fury

+ Quickblood

+ Dread Knight (+2 Weapon skill, have to issue challenge)

+ Shield

+ Heavy Armour

+ Barded Nightmare

Vampire

+ Sword of Anti-heroes

+ Potion of Toughness

+ Quickblood

+ Dread Knight

+ Shield

+ Heavy Armour

+ Barded Nightmare

Vampire

+ Nightshroud

+ Warrior Bane

+ Quickblood

+ Dread Knight

+ Shield

+ Heavy Armour

+ Barded Nightmare

5 Blood Knights

+ Sword of Swift Slaying

+ Razor Standard

+ Kastellan

+ Musician

+ Standard Bearer

this would be my answer to your unit. how does it fair up?

two questions: what special rules does malliketh have? something about a 2++?

how wide is units front?

completely agree MN banshees, Mortis engines, and the sword are all "ok". but being able to field a whole host of screaming death (properly supported by leadership modifiers) would make for a fun R/S/P game.

I think Mortis caps the regen at 4+

scream lists are indeed doable but you will make NO friends in doing so. funny how people actually like a chance to respond to their imminent death and screams don't provide this opportunity.

that being said if your opponent agrees to it you should try it out.

pg 462 " as well as new units and game rules we have included a brand new lore of magic......... as with all things described so far, you can use the Lore of Undeath when fighting the scenarios in this book, AND ALSO IN ANY other games of warhammer that you play....... as you can see, this section represents much more than just a selection of scenarios and special rules to go with them. INSTEAD you should think of it as a toolbox, from which you can pick and choose what to use IN ANY GAMES of warhammer that you play."

I think they have made themselves fairly clear on their stance regarding End Times. freedom to choose and flexibility to play what you want to play :). additional rules to be played if you want to in conjunction with current 8th edition rules (general and army specific).

I also don't see a 9th edition being released prior to the release of all 3 sets of end times. but I'm not as rumor savy as others.

given I'm not the most experienced with comp rating I believe my list came in at a healthy 15.9. (using 300 as a starting point)

I felt like it played like a 15 most of the event. the list gave up points like candy at Halloween but could also tear up a unit if I was fortunate enough to get a combo charge off.

next years list is currently looking to be a bit softer, coming in around the 18 mark. but when you field skeletons as your core it's almost inevitable. it helps knowing to stay away from the brokenness that blender lords bring :)

the books themselves state they aren't just campaign books. but additional rules to be used at player discretion in ANY game of WHFB.

I would like to see an "avenue of armies" type showcasing of the armies to be able to appreciate and select my favorite armies.

taking it a step farther I'd like to see some sort of master/novice categories voting dynamic. maybe a couple selections rewarding specific elements like conversion or character.

is it possible to individually get painting feedback to make personal improvements in this area?

it depends on if you want it as a lord or hero mount. as a hero it really needs to be a BSB to be effective. the +1 CR and then the -1 to crumble are crucial for it's ability to sustain after contact.

the 'battle of wills' is a nice little bonus feature that most often results in the opponent rerolling their successful to hits. I've had "enthralled" go off twice in the 6+ months of fielding the model. if the model is a hero, being LD 7 limits any benefit from this ability outside of the general's influence.

I've run a defensive build hero (armor of destiny) for the 4+ ward on the hero bsb. the throne is able to pump out 4 Str 5 WS 5 ASF attacks from the handmaidens and then 2d6 Str 3 WS 3 attacks from the spirit horde. combined with the attacks from the hero/lord vampire you put on top it has nice offensive capabilities, but as a 500+ point model it needs it (IMO).

the best use for this model in my experience is as a combo charge support unit issuing challenges to deal with enemy characters while the other unit works on the enemy rank and file.

while my story is similar and I too share the satisfaction of being done ahead of time I know I will look to your models as inspiration in painting to strive for.

easy fix. have scared hitless (us) play Scylla round one.

PM'd Devo as well

do they have a different name ? I'm not seeing any 'better than average' on the team paid forum either.