Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Finally read this guy's rules. Looks like he gimps my DA. Yeah, if I kill him and am within 1-6" I score extra, but my opponent is at a huge advantage if he just hides cypher behind a rock all game. Also, thanks to the stupid wording, in order to yield any VP for my side, I basically need to be in assault with cypher and only with DA models. I also remain unclear if he counts as CSM for my preferred enemy. Suggestions? -Pax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 If your Opponent hides Cypher behind a rock, you take advantage of the fact that he's playing 200 Points down, and has -1 Ld on his Warlord. You should be able to leverage that into at least a couple of extra VPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Like everything ever. MOAR dice. Seriously screw treating him.like he is special. Murder him with guns. Remove him from play and your set. Night Haunter had it right: Your opponents plans are irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 If your Opponent hides Cypher behind a rock, you take advantage of the fact that he's playing 200 Points down, and has -1 Ld on his Warlord. You should be able to leverage that into at least a couple of extra VPs. Yeah, might work for me too. Still, annoying in general when opponent can generate additional VP. I suppose, a list could be themed around this with Bjorn and Cypher in one list. Might be another I'm not thinking of, but the idea would be to ignore the standard objectives and just bring your own... I will note that despite his special rule giving zealot to the DA models with inner circle, most of the DA models don't have that special rule. It does transfer from ICs, but models with the inner circle are already fearless, so really, Cypher just gives inner circle models, and their units, hatred (universal, as it looks). Hmm...I suppose I could make use of this if I included some assault units. I remain unclear if Cypher is considered CSM if fielded as just a character, or if he only counts as such when taken with his fallen. I'm also wondering if his I:8 is meant as a hard counter for the Darktalon's Stasis Bomb, which lowers it by 3, making his initiative "5" much more reasonable for SM/DA players. -Pax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolved Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 When taken alone he is whatever your primary is as he is an hq for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPcom Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 @paxmiles: That's be a really interesting list... Stick Cypher in a squad of shooty terminators (10 man) to make sure he lives, hide 'em behind an ageis line, take SW primary for Bjorn, and run him around in dangerous terrain to make sure he dies :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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