VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 So, I'm getting back into fantasy after many a year. Finally convinced my local club special characters can be fun and I want to use Skarsnik. With those stated I have some interesting rules questions that came up in game last night. Know Skarsnik is monstrous infantry and is on a big base 40x60 mm. He ranks fine but is really easy to force into the second rank. He has a split profile with Gobbla. Each has a WS, different strength, and 4 attacks, Gobbla has killing blow but a lower initiative. Big question is how many (edit) supporting (edit) attacks can come from this combined model? 3 total, 3 per stat line, which stat line can I use, can I split attacks? All the questions! Skarsnik is very squishy at WS 5 T4 big base only light armor with 6 wounds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Four per statline. So eight attacks total. Think of it like a mounted character. And honestly non-named characters can get this and more with better protection, so this is not OP in anyway. Yes you can split his attacks if he is not in a challenge. You use one statline for 4 attacks and the other for the rest. Also his is not Monstrous Infantry, just Infantry. So hello Look Out Sir. I will say I have always wanted to try him out in a Night Gobbo army but haven't had the chance yet. Our club too has not allowed named characters yet but that might change soon. Of course I want to run Grimgor first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm asking specifically about supporting attacks. His main attacks on the front line are easy enough to understand. You liken him to a mounted model which he is not I don't want people saying I can't use Gobbla attacks from the second rank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Wait I get what you are asking, you mean attacking from the second rank. One supporting attack, just an Infantry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbert Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 but is he listed as infantry or monstrous infantry? If its infantry its only 1 attack, if he is monstrous infantry its 3 attacks at the higher initiative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 @sherbet, why the higher initiative? Magic weapon Str 4 attacks at ini 5 are easily worse than str 6 with killing blow at ini 4. Skarsnik is listed as monstrous infantry mostly I think to make him immune to killing blow but supporting attacks made me think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 @sherbet, why the higher initiative? Magic weapon Str 4 attacks at ini 5 are easily worse thanstr. 6 with killing blow. Because you fight in initiative order when fighting the combat. So Skarsnik would go at his initiative step. Then you keep going down to steps. Then you get to the Squig and can't attack with them because the model has already made it's available attacks allotment given it's unit type (Monsterous Infantry) Sadly you do not get to keep both better combat abilities and protection from anything striking back. It's one or the other. One might reference something about a cake here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Cool just wanted the reasoning! I'll have plenty of strength six attacks from big bosses just wanted to know why. Related question, in the current rules can you cast spells and such from the second rank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yes you can. p31 - "A Wizard can only cast a magic missile at a target that lies within his forward arc and to which he can trace line of sight (just as if the wizard was firing a missile weapon)." p39 - "models in the second rank can use the line of sight and forward arc of the model directly in front of them for the purposes of all shooting attacks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Ummm.... In the O&G army book he is listed as Infantry not Monstrous infantry and there is no FAQ changing that. Where did he get listed as Monsterous Infantry? Hopefully not Army Builder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I might have my editions mixed... Main rule book maybe? This is also why I had him in the front rank last night so many things to make sure I have right. Okay apparently my memory sucks! Thanks for the correction. Did notice that giant cave squigs have stomp tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Honestly I think it is better for him to be infantry, the look out sir will help a lot for him getting sniped out with a cannon shot. Also his ability to have his Night Gobos fein retreat can be used to pull units out of formation for a flank charge, in theory. Also Skarsnik and Itchy Nuisance go togther really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Thanks for the tips I'm working on getting somethings together. My list features Skarsnik and a lvl 4 night goblin wizard as lords. I'm toying with the idea of a warboss (night gobo) to actually make challenges difficult for my opponent, something like fencers blades, and glittering scales for regular 6+ to hit if nuisance goes off...then a 5+ ward. It all fits in 2500 would this be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Honestly I believe you should keep those hero gobos cheap and just take several. They will lose almost any challenge they get into but are there to take challenges to keep Skarsnik out of them. The problem with gobos is that they will not win a one on one fight and die in droves, played them a couple years back, but they are dirt cheap and getting off a combo charge should not be an issue. (Sneaky Stabbing for the flank charge.) Are you going with a Night Gobo list or is it mixed greens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Night gobos heavy on squigs and random movement. I'm finding even with ranks and flanks I got out killed. By enough I was losing. The unit would have 9 big bosses with great weapons to actually pound face. I have a personally hard time lining up multiple units and luck always screws me with the animosity. So I'm working with some different things... I had to many heroes with magic extra attack weapons trying just lots of str 6 crush soon. I have 145 points and no deployment space... Which is why I'm considering the three wound guy to try and soak bigger uglies even if he goes down every point matters I was only 3 points down a couple of times, against big nasty chaos the switch to great weapon cheapo guys. I think will make a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Also no trolls, all squigs all the time ain't best know but it is what I own and I'm not investing in more fantasy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'd take a unit of 50 gobos and stick 5 cheap hero goblins with great weapons in the front rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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