Xavier319 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Okay, so on the right shoulder pad of these guys... http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Raven-Guard-Mor-Deythan-Strike-Squad what is what looks like a lightning bolt symbol? I want to use these guys for Raptors honor guard. I'm going to shave off the shin chpater symbols and replace it with a raptors transfer, and the shoulder wings, and green stuff in the XIX symbol. but what is that other thing on their right shoulder? What does it mean? should i leave it? fill it in? any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 As far as I can tell from the HH books, the lightning bolt is used for Recon Units by the Raven Guard, while the circle with the four marks around it seems to be related to the Crux Terminatus, used to mark Veteran Units, or perhaps occasionally just those that have distinguished themselves in some way, replacing the plain circle that was used by Great Crusade-era Raven Guard to surround the right shoulder pad insignia. You could either shave the whole thing off, or putty in the lightning bolt and paint/transfer some kind of honour marking in there or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Hello there, The right shoulder pad is a Raven Guard squad marking for "reconnaissance" and has the Legion's numeral below it. If you wish to be factually accurate for Mor Deythan, keep them. If you're going to use them as Honor Guard, then the symbol would look more like a throwing star in a banded circle. Stay safe, don 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Well, I'm using them as Raptors Honor Guard. So by default, they are (like everything in the raptors chapter) a reconnaissance unit. With the background representing a Crux, that seems appropriate. And being a successor chapter, it is not out of reason that they would use the same markings, especially since the raptors were founded in M 31, right after the codex was written. So, I'm seeing the armor as an honored relic passed down from their parent chapter long ago (as most relics are), would they keep the reconnaissance marking on it to honor their parent chapter? Thoughts? This is a purely fluff question, I want to make sure my reasoning holds water with people who are more familiar with 30k, and other fluff-bunnies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I would probably replace the lightning bolt with a cross or star or laurel or one of the other symbols associated with SM who are marked out in some way. Not that the Recon symbol isn't applicable, as you point out, but Honour Guard should really have their own special insignia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Hmmm Perhaps. Issodon seems like he would put his best men, and his bodyguards, in a recon role. that and i am very very leery of carving a new symbol into their shoulderpad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I was thinking just paint it on or find a suitable transfer or something. At the end of the day, tho, they're your Models, and you're gonna be seeing more of them than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Yeah. I really want their iconography to make sense though. details like that bother the heck out of me if they dont make logical sense. It makes sense on one end, and does not on another, so it bugs me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 The only materials I can find concerning the Raptors' chapter markings / iconography for the right shoulder is that they go with a white-colored squad specialty symbol on the right shoulder guard with the operational specialty designated (i.e. Assault, Devastator, etc.). The Forge World transfers support that, too. That being said, they are your models and they are Honor Guard so make a backstory. Stay safe, don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier319 Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 My thought is that since Issodon is who he is. his honor guard are used in a support reconnaisance role, not in a bodyguard role. since he prefers tactics over tradition. That and their artificer armor would have been handed down from their parent chapter 10,000 years ago, and lovingly preserved. So they chose to keep the cruz/scout designation on the right shoulder pad. and replace the rest of the markings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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