fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Castellans: 1502Coteaz: 100Ordo Xenos Inquisitor: 343 Servo SkullsPriest: 25Priest: 25Infantry Platoon: 360PCS: 50LascannonSquad: 75Flamer, Power Axe, MeltabombsSquad: 75Flamer, Power Axe, MeltabombsSquad: 80Meltagun, Power Axe, MeltabombsSquad: 80Meltagun, Power Axe, MeltabombsInfantry Platoon: 330PCS: 50LascannonSquad: 70LascannonSquad: 70LascannonSquad: 70LascannonSquad: 70Lascannon5 Scouts: 55Bolters5 Scouts: 55BoltersWyvern: 65Wyvern: 657 Vanguard Vets: 194Power Axe, Power Maul7 Vanguard Vets: 194Power Axe, Power MaulCAD: 280Lias Issodan: 1705 Scouts: 55Bolters5 Scouts: 55BoltersDeathwatch Kill Team: 2168 Deathwatch Veterans: 2168 Stalker Pattern Boltguns1998 Could someone check my math on this? Basic plan is Lias is the warlord, he joins the deathwatch unit and gives them and the vanguard vets infiltrate. All SM units are Raptors CT for the sniping Bolters. Not sure what I'd drop to make it 1850 (maybe the Wyverns and change?), but it shouldn't be that hard. Looking at this more for OFCC than competitive events. 1 Quote
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Take the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (from Codex:Inq) in the Inquisitorial Representative detachment (from Codex: IA). Gets you a free warlord trait.If you're taking a priest (assumedly for the blob), make him a C:AS one and take Litanies of Faith (15). It makes War Hymns automatic. Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 Take the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (from Codex:Inq) in the Inquisitorial Representative detachment (from Codex: IA). Gets you a free warlord trait. If you're taking a priest (assumedly for the blob), make him a C:AS one and take Litanies of Faith (15). It makes War Hymns automatic. Trying to keep it at 3 detachments, so can't do an inquisitorial detachment. As far as the priest one, that makes sense, I could drop the other priest and save 10 pts. I mostly had two to ensure getting the War Hymn I wanted. Quote
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Other than that, I like the sniping bolters. Not so sure about the Vanguard Vets though. Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 Other than that, I like the sniping bolters. Not so sure about the Vanguard Vets though. Well, I like them from a thematic point of view. Hatred from the formation is tasty and having infiltrate means that a turn 2 charge is really likely. Quote
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Is my math right? Pretty sure. I checked the guard and such. Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 Hmmm, since OFCC doesn't care about detachment limits, I could drop the van vets and get a skitarri maniple. Skitarii Maniple: 290 10 Skitarii Vanguard: 145 3 Arc Rifles 10 Skitarii Vanguard: 145 3 Arc Rifles Saves 98 pts... Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 With that 98 pts I could add back in my 20 conscripts and another deathwatch guy. 13 pts left from there... Quote
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 If you drop the VV, why keep the raptor ic? Quote
pretre Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 If you drop the VV, why keep the raptor ic? He gives infiltrate, which is still good. Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 If you drop the VV, why keep the raptor ic? To infiltrate the skitarri up so they start doing damage right away. :D Plus he goes well with the deathwatch as he gives them shrouding and they can all infiltrate as well. His gun pairs nicely with their guns as well. 1 Quote
IW Raptors Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Just a heads up, Lias is 175 pts, not 170. Other then that, Lias is Lias mother fracking Issodon, the imperial batman. 2 Quote
fluger Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 Ahhh, good catch. That should be easy to fix. Quote
galahad911 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Posted January 20, 2017 If you're going to blob up the platoons, having MBs on all the sargents when you can only have 1 guy in the unit use them in a given phase seems kinda silly to buy it for them all. Quote
fluger Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Posted January 20, 2017 If you're going to blob up the platoons, having MBs on all the sargents when you can only have 1 guy in the unit use them in a given phase seems kinda silly to buy it for them all. Couple thoughts. 1. I'm not guaranteed to blob up anymore. I can see using the Castellans formation to go all MSU all the time. Would be my only play against a deathstar I think. 2. I might be assaulting multiple things, like, say several Rhinos that have scouted up. 3. Blobs are super unwieldy, its hard to guarantee your own guy with the meltabombs will be close enough to the fight to use them. Not to mention they only LOS on a 4+ and can easily be barrage sniped or kill zoned in other ways. 4, Trying to keep track of which tiny sgt has the meltabombs and which don't would drive me mental. For 20 pts I don't think its all that bad of an option, but if I need to cull points, its a place to look. 3 Quote
pretre Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 So, Raptor's Chapter Tactic says: Strike from the Shadows (as per the Raven Guard ChapterTactic in Codex: Space Marines): Models in this detachmenthave the Scout special rule. In addition, on the first game turn,models in the detachment have the Stealth special rule. Notethat units which contain models with any variant of the Bulkyspecial rule do not benefit from either rule. Underlined emphasis is mine. Raptors plus castellans is silly. 1 Quote
pretre Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 Other FW chapter tactics mostly say 'Models with Chapter Tactics'. Some others that don't: By this Seal: When using the Allies Matrix, all models inthe Red Hunters detachment count units from Codex: GreyKnights and Codex: Adepta Sororitas as Battle Brothers so longas an Inquisitor is also present in the army. That one is useless. Angel's Revenant: To the Last Breath: If the detachment loses half (round down)of its units during the course of the game, then all remainingunits in the detachment gain the Fearless special rule. Meh Mantis Warriors: Shadow Killers: Infantry models in this detachment gain theMove Through Cover and Hammer of Wrath special rules.In addition, on any turn in which they declare a charge fromwithin a terrain feature that grants a cover save (not includingany terrain piece purchased as a Fortification choice), they gainthe Furious Charge special rule.Note that units which contain models with any variant of theBulky special rule do not benefit from this special rule. Star Phantoms: Orbital Wave Attack: Any unit in the detachment arriving viaDeep Strike may re-roll any Reserve roll of 1 if its controllingplayer wishes. Quote
fluger Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Posted January 23, 2017 Honestly, while I agree that the RAW says that, I'd never play it that way. Quote
generalripphook Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 Mantis warriors with an IG blob....that'd be hilarious with the hammer of wrath and furious charge. Quote
pretre Posted January 23, 2017 Report Posted January 23, 2017 Honestly, while I agree that the RAW says that, I'd never play it that way. Fair enough. It is WTFBBQ to have your whole castellans scout. 1 Quote
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