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Yeah, I'm guaranteed Gate, Invisibility, and Prescience. I feel that is something I can work up for strategies.

So I got a chance to go to Dice Age games and play in a three round tourney over there. Had a good time. Went 2-1, ate some Hawaiian BBQ, and did some more list tweaking with Ben C. Game one: Played Joe and his crazy Grot Tank Kan Wall Bike List. I was a bit worried about how much shooting his tanks could put out, but with their 2d6 move, Mork was pretty displeased with Joe. He didn't get the speed he need to close in on my star. I was able to take out both bike squads with his warlord and plink away at the kans and tanks over time. His army is hillarious and will be really cool when it is done. Little luck and he would have been on me a lot sooner and could have swayed things I think. Game two: Played George and his wave serpent spam with 2 wraithknights and an Imperial knight...ya know...for backup! Great game! My biggest mistake was not going all in for invisibility. I had tried to get invisibility with Tiggy, but failed, then switched to div with the Librarian. In hindsight, I should have stuck with invis to protect the centstar. He made me go first and I was able to take a Wraithknight out first turn. He countered by plinking away at my centstar and I was rolling ones like a boss. Lost two cents from shooting. Then his Iknight charged my dreadknight. I did four hull points and could have taken him out with some sixes on the vehicle damage chart, but didn't get it. Then George rolled that six to wound and my dreadknight was toast. Later my other dreadknight got force and sanctuary up and took out his other wraithknight. Key turn his Imperial knight failed to charge my centstar and my dreadknight got to charge his imperial knight. He had one hull point left after a lucky six with my incinerator in his rear armor the dreadknight easily took the last hull point off. George rolled his attacks and got one hit....then...a six! Crap! Dreadknight was dead. After that I had some chances with my stormtalons, but the wave serpents were able to take out my troops and shrug off the talons attacks.Great game overall, but a loss. Game Three: Game three was vs Bishops mishmash dark angels. he hadn't planned on playing and didn't bring most of his stuff. So it was a pretty mismatched account. I had invisibility and perfect timing, but didn't even try to do invis as that would have been too much. As it was it was a kill points mission and I was able to take things out pretty quickly. So in talking with Ben a bit I came up with a new version. Grey Knights with Red Scorpoions Allies Grey Knights CAD Librarian Hammer/ML3 5 Strike Squad 1 hammer 5 Termies 5 Halberds Dreadknight Hammer/Incinerator/Teleporter Dreadknight Hammer/Incinerator/Teleporter Dreadknight Hammer/Incinerator/Teleporter Draigo Red Scorpoions Allies Sevrin Loth 5 Scouts 3 Centurions Grav/Omniscope 1 Stormtalon

I like the look of it. Would be pretty funky and very themed. I'd worry a bit about the cents being out in the open with them having no invul save. But they should give a good amount of board control.

Yeah, gate is pretty boss, it is a blessing that impacts the psyker.

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Won't the priest just slow down the TWC?

Tomorrow. The biggest thing is that I'm broke and can't really afford more toys. Need to work on what I have.

BAO, working on getting the ok for FW.

Think that Tiggy list could be pretty sick. Post it!

Sure, I've thought of that as well, but would probably need some Stormwolves to make that work better. Also, against Wave Serpent spam, they just spend a turn running away and I'm kinda sunk. Three Centurions has seemed to be a solid amount of firepower that will kill most things in one volley.

Thanks for the post! Good though provoking stuff. Saw Jy2's stuff. I totally hear the invis thing, but I'm really thinking Tyranids are going to be one of the harder matchups and to have a good chance against them, I need perfect timing IMO. Its a trade off of durabilityvs killing. If I think I don't need perfect timing, then I can go for invis with tiggy and libby. I'm leaning towards list 2 as well. Eldar? Serpent spam n Wknights. - Did pretty well against a Serpent spam list. Again with Pefect timing I think I could really impact them more. Tau? Dice dice and more dice. - At least I know what those jerks do. Man I hate Tau. I think I'd focus on the stuff that can kill the star first and put pressure on him with CC. Deamons? - That one will be interesting as I think we will both be cancelling powers unless I hit a summoning list with 30dice. I would probably try to hold the center and focus on killing what I can. Let flyers hit the others.

Ohh yeah! I get to play at Dice Age tourny tomorrow. Think I'll try the stormraven list since its painted.

I have a bit. We should set up a game!

I think that is a very valid point. I'm not quite sure as we don't have a ton of players doing that. Centstar will still have some hops as they also have Hurrican bolters, 9 shots at 24 and 18 at 12. Both should make a big dent in an ork squad. I'd probably avoid certain elements of the guard blob and center on them last.

GK's give the Centstar automatic tools with Gate of Infinity. Draigo is also a tank with four wounds and a beatstick in CC. Dreadknights can take on a lot of different baddies - Wraithknights, MC's, Land Raiders, etc. They get lots of extra warp charges.

So I played Version 2 against a Space Wolf player last night. He was running razorback spam with a somewhat softer list. The centstar ran roughshod on him even after getting mishapped and stuck in the corner turn one. He did have some miserable dice rolls though. Stormtalons got lucky and killed his Stormgunner (heavy version) in one round of volleys from both Stormtalons (previous turn the centstar fired with prescience and didn't get a hit!). Things i learned: Can't use the cool GK warlord trait the lets warlord deep strike turn one....tiggy and cents cant deep strike! Doh! Don't mishap with the Centstar! Plan the Dreadknights move ahead of time to give them space.

So to get ready for the LVO (have my hotel and ticket secured) I decided to to go all out this year and see what is the best I can do. I would consider myself above average in playing, but I know one thing that hampers me is that I don't like playing the same thing over and over. I tend to focus on an army for a bit then switch over to something else soon. Usually too soon before I can really master it. I also decided to take the grossest list I can muster with what I have to give me an edge that way as well. The list is centered (heh CENTered) upon the Centstar. Draigo gives Gate of Infinity Tigurius has typically been going for Perfect Timing Librarian goes for Invisibility or Perfect Timing if TIggy fails it (which he has like 3 out of the last 5 games) They all go with three Centurions with Grav Cannons and Omniscope This star is backed up by two Dreadknights as bodyguards. That is the core of the list and the rest has changed quite a bit. I played a version of it at the Ordo Open and went 2-1. I lost to an Eldar player with a ton of ap2. I almost lost to Eben's Stormwolfchickenjerkface flying things but managed to pull it out. Here are two versions of the list. Version 1 GK - Nemesis Strike Librarian - Hammer/ML3 Draigo 5 Terminators - 4 Halberds 1 Hammer 1 Psycannon Stormraven Dreadknight - Sword/Incinerator Dreadknight - Sword/Psycannon Space Marines - CAD Tiggy 6 Scouts 2 Sniper 6 Scouts 3 Sniper 3 Centurions - Omniscope/3 Grav Thunderfire Cannon Version 2 GK - Nemesis Strike Librarian - Hammer/ML3 Draigo 5 Terminators - 4 Halberds 1 Hammer Dreadknight - Sword/Incinerator Dreadknight - Sword/Psycannon Space Marine - CAD Tiggy 5 Scouts 1 Sniper 5 Scouts 1 Sniper Stormtalon - Skyhammer Stormtalon - Skyhammer 3 Centurions - Omniscope/3 Grav Thunderfire Cannon I plan on posting my games and tweaks as I go on. Constructive feedback welcome!

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I was glad me and Eben got to play last round as we had never gotten to play before. I felt a bit bad at the beginning as I got some great luck and he didn't, especially with the TWC failed charges. I really like the centstar, but know I need some more anti air in the list...or not. Still a fun game that became quite close with those firk ding blasted StormWolfChickenThings.