HeroZero

I am hoping for a book with longevity. It doesn't need to be broken top of the heap, but it better not be a mono build army that can't take new army books and edition changes.

Build them all approach? Yep. That sounds about right. Elf bus? Lol. Please. I'm not gonna change a single tactic to that, elf horde I have to. Like Derk said, other armies do buses better and cheaper. Heck imagine an okkams elf spear horde. Right.

Yes. High elves are a "get what you pay for" type army. If your not willing to invest in them they won't return the effect you were looking to get out of them. LSG hordes ( oh god if you get lore of metal) are fantastic because you get to start making an impact on t1+ Chucking 40 shots deletes chaff, and you get to throw around wounds. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't unit. People may scoff at 40 shots, but it adds kills, and no one Willy nilly charges a unit that gets 50 rerollable ASF attacks without putting some actual effort unlike traditional shooting options.

I just hope they change dwarf paradigm a bit... I'm tired of castle around the warmachines, I've been playing that game the better part of two decades.

Silver Helms: They are the best choice, but also need some numbers to be really effective. Rubber lance syndrome is real. Spearmen are awesome... If you bring 50 in a horde formation. One Wyssans wildform and you have a unit that's deadly. I recommend the Razor Standard if you are feeling frisky. Lothern sea guard. 50 in a horde, with FC and a flame banner is ugly. It's a unit no one tangles with willingly. Yes its the entire core requirement in a single unit... I love LSG... I love LSG in hordes. Just bring a support mage. My god a metal mage is good with LSG.

Unless you field them as venerable dreads + dreadknights. Also get a stormraven. Get an inquisitor model they are fantastic allies. Most people do go with coteaz,Crowe or draigo as the HQ but don't discourage other choices either. Even a generic HQ is pretty boss.

Looks pretty.low on the power spectrum to me only ranking higher due to WoC having higher than average stats. Lots of small units may get into trouble, but we will see. It is, WoC afterall. BtW your shadow sorc is illegal. Chaos familiar counts as an arcane item.

That's what I am thinking, aesthetically the WK in the Skeletons also makes more sense. WK are really under rated t5 and 3 wounds for under 100 points is great.

The WK.is o foot, so would the vamp be. Neither are in the BK unit.

@ mexicanninja: thanks. What do people think of me turning the WK into a baby vamp, Lvl 2 and dropping the necromancer? That way the skeletons become a pretty angry threat.

I know that part. But the official rules for skin wolves are A forgeworld PDF update, which wasn't listed

Are they legal?

1. Correct. You listed a magic banner and magic gear on same guy which is a no no. 2.) A great weapons not bad, you would just swing at initiative, but no I was thinking of a lance. You do most of the damage with a dragon on the charge in my experience. I was thinking: Lance, Dragon Armor, Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation. Still get the 2+/4++ for less. 3. Lions are superior to horse chariots all day, I was going for theme since your bringing so many horses. 4. Good eagles, they are your friends.

@Drak Thanks, the Sword of Striking is to even out my.my abysmal luck. It's still got some minor tweaks here and there I need to make but overall I am satisfied. @Raindog thank you.

1. Not sure that BSB is legal with magic items and magic banner. 2. The lord choice just feels off, why pay 40 points for a +2 strength when you can get the same mundanely for ten or less? He also feels really unprotected with gear. 3. I like lion chariots, but I like ellryian chariotts more for theme. 4. I know its been said before but reallocate points for two eagles. They fix everything.

Sure why not, what's your thoughts on this revision?

Yeah I left the barded steeds off because I am a "special person"

So revision.number 5? Strigoi Ghoul King Red Fury, Flying Horror Sword of Striking, Dragonbane Gem Level 1 Vampires General Master Necromancer Level 4 Vampires Dispel Scroll Wight King Great Weapon Nightshroud Battle Standard Bearer Necromancer Lvl 2 Vampires, Book of Arkhan 40 Skeletons Full Command 40 Crypt Ghouls 20 Zombies Standard, Musician 5 Dire Wolves 5 Dire Wolves 6 Vargheist 10 Black knights Full Command, Banner of the Barrows. 4 Fell Bats 5 Hexwraiths 5 Hexwraiths Varghulf. Here be fast VC.

I would like to see something like Chaos Lord MoK Juggernaut Sword of Anti Heroes The Other Trickster Shard Talisman of Preservation Chaos Sorceror Lord Level 4 Lore of Death Charmed Shield Sword of Might Dispel Scroll Exalted Hero Battle Standard Bearer Juggernaut Helm of Many eyes Halberd Chaos Sorcerer Mark of Slaanesh Lvl 2 Chaos Familiar Enchanted Shield 5 marauder horsemen,.flails, musician 5 marauder horsemen, flails musician 10 marauder horsemen, flails, musician, standard bearer 5 chaos hounds 5 chaos hounds Chaos chariot Chaos chariot 10 Chaos knights Full command 3 Juggernaut Full Command 3 Juggernaut Full Command

Derp its a conversion. I am a newb. Ignore above.

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?190255-Necrarch-Vampire This one.

I wouldn't care if they were awful because the models are cool. Which honestly is what warhammer ie about.

I have zero intention of running cheesey and weak sauce tactics like wraith walls and screamo lists. Im pretty happy with how it is shaping up as a list. Not having the majority of the cheese in my lists is something I've always taken pride in. I can't wait to field my favorite unit. EVER. In the OFCC. Okay, my favorite Units... I'm bringing 2 x 6 of them. Fear the vargheists. Feaaarrrr...

I'm pretty happy with core set up atm, I'm counting on characters and special units to do the heavy lifting.

Honestly you are working at two big disadvantages here. 1.) Your list is CC oriented, and slower. You have almost no hope of coming to grips with m9 models that have no interest in playing to your strengths. 2.) Your opponents list is essentially designed to abuse traditional lists like.yours. Without some list and tactics changes you are going to have rough time. What can you do? Include your own fast elements or more of them Increase your own longer range shooting Bring magic missiles Deploy aggressively