intrizic Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 For the NEW Eldar codex, the one to be released 4-25-2015: I will admit with my fiery temper I'm not the best to lead this discussion. I'll start it, and I hope it finds traction with some of the cooler heads on ordo. my question is this: how many scatter lasers, Str 6 ap 5 (?) hvy 4 range 36", are reasonable in a unit of jetbikes? Keep in mind there is NO correct answer, just a bunch of opinions, but let us endeavor, as a community, to find a norm. In my experience with the CURRENT version of the jetbike, it's generally a min max unit, 3 bikes, 1 shuirken cannon, objective grabber I have only seen 1 unit of 10 jetbikes and that was a Mommaz boyz, who also had shining spears and did well I think the closet equivalent, and I'm going to get the details wrong, are WarWalkers, who can get 6 scatter lasers to the unit, but I don't recall the cost. at 270 points a unit, you can have 6 full units of jetbikes in a 1850 point list with change... I feel that 5 is the edge of insanity, based on nothing at all... just my stinking opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarlordGhrom Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jetbikes can get Shuriken Cannons, not Scatter Lasers. Warwalkers can have SLs. SCs are nowhere as nice as SLs in my book based off special rule bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jetbikes can get Shuriken Cannons, not Scatter Lasers. Warwalkers can have SLs. SCs are nowhere as nice as SLs in my book based off special rule bonus. you are correct for the current Eldar codex my friend. I didn't want to derail the leaks thread so I started a new thread to talk about the fact that in the NEW eldar codex jetbikes will be allowed to take scatter lasers. I didn't state that very well, I will correct it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 you are correct for the current Eldar codex my friend. I didn't want to derail the leaks thread so I started a new thread to talk about the fact that in the NEW eldar codex jetbikes will be allowed to take scatter lasers. I didn't state that very well, I will correct it Yet another reason that land raiders are awesome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarlordGhrom Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ugg just saw that rumor as well. Well dang, will have to see but that sounds scary and I play Eldar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think it would depend on how many bikes you're bringing really. but I would be ok with 3-5 SC or SL per unit. WYSIWYG only, no counts as or proxy though. What about my ork bikedar? Every bike model will be counting the dakkaguns as Scatter Laser. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yet another reason that land raiders are awesome... Misfortune. You pretty much have to take a Farseer for a bike army. Let's see, each Scatter Laser: 3/4 Hit. 1/6 Rend. 1/3 Glance. 1/3 Pen. So that's 1/12 Results. So it takes what... 48 Shots to kill a land raider with Misfortune. Bah, more than one squad. Throw guide on there. That's what... 15/16 hit, 1/6 rend. 2/3 results. 30/288. Or just about 40 shots. Hey, that's just one squad. And that assumes no Ranged D. No lances. No Haywire in the other 800 points of your army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 pardon my ignorance...scatter lasers rend? omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 pardon my ignorance...scatter lasers rend? omg With Misfortune psychic power they can. Considering at least one Jetseer will probably be a good fit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Not even close to Wysiwig. That's counts as, and not even a good counts as :P Oh, I agree. I'll only do it if every tournament turns into everyone brings eldar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 And that's why I don't go to tournaments anymore. You don't go to tournaments because of a theoretical thought exercise about how broken Eldar might become? You're weird, man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotyknows Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yea it seems they will be pretty strong. You get the psudo-rending if you take the SCs in stead of SLs. But all SLs with a farseer to misfortune stuff will be gross. An extra shot, longer range, and rending for real. How are those guys still 17 bolt pistols base? With their movement and todays emphasis on obsec objective grabbers you would think they would have seen a hike just for being the best obsec unit in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Why even bother with misfortune, get a warlock on there. If they stay the same they do work on Land raiders in melee. Not a perfect response, but still adds versatility to the unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Why even bother with misfortune, get a warlock on there. If they stay the same they do work on Land raiders in melee. Not a perfect response, but still adds versatility to the unit. singing spear is pretty op, the old version had armor bane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Why even bother with misfortune, get a warlock on there. If they stay the same they do work on Land raiders in melee. Not a perfect response, but still adds versatility to the unit. Yeah, I think a warlock for each unit to get WC and LD9 will be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Not the sole reason, but that's a different topic. Start it up! That's what the forum is for. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'm still holding out hope that this person misunderstood the entry and that it's only 1 in 3 like before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'm still holding out hope that this person misunderstood the entry and that it's only 1 in 3 like before. There's a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Misfortune. You pretty much have to take a Farseer for a bike army. Let's see, each Scatter Laser: 3/4 Hit. 1/6 Rend. 1/3 Glance. 1/3 Pen. So that's 1/12 Results. So it takes what... 48 Shots to kill a land raider with Misfortune. Bah, more than one squad. Throw guide on there. That's what... 15/16 hit, 1/6 rend. 2/3 results. 30/288. Or just about 40 shots. Hey, that's just one squad. And that assumes no Ranged D. No lances. No Haywire in the other 800 points of your army. Wait. Since when do scatter lasers rend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 There's a picture. I didn't see it yet... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Wait. Since when do scatter lasers rend? When you cast Misfortune on the unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Nevermind, found it. Still doesn't really change much. If you intend to dedicate 270pts, plus 2 powers from a psyker to take down my 250pt vehicle, that's really not such a big deal. This all assumes that I lack a save for my land raider and I am not using a psychic hood to protect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yes, the answer to scatter laser spam is Land Raiders everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Nevermind, found it. Still doesn't really change much. If you intend to dedicate 270pts, plus 2 powers from a psyker to take down my 250pt vehicle, that's really not such a big deal. This all assumes that I lack a save for my land raider and I am not using a psychic hood to protect it. This is assuming there are no lances, D weapons or anything else in the other 800 points of the army. Land Raiders aren't going to save you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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