generalripphook Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I really want to fit a murder pack into a list, but needing to get them transports really hampers it. Not with all these free movements that's being thrown around with the hunt result on the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skkipper Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 If you want to discuss politics, come to RoC, it's sadly very quiet.I don't think they would let me back in!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah,,and what if someone null deploys on ya...do the pods have to come in on turn one?Yes, but you can pull all sorts of shenanigans if you can blanket the board turn 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yes, but you can pull all sorts of shenanigans if you can blanket the board turn 1. Yeah,probably would be fun,,I just don't have enough experience with Pod armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm very sad that none of the formations have a command benefit called "Hungry Like the Wolf." Seems like a missed opportunity. Double Iron Wolves*snip* See, I look at this and basically all I see is a Battle Company without ObSec and with more crappy tax units. No offense to you personally, pretre, but the SW formations just don't impress much. Having all your Drop Pods arrive on turn 1 is kinda neat and could potentially pair well with some of the other turn 1 reserve stuff... but you're spending so much on really mediocre units to enable it that I don't see it actually going anywhere in tournaments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah, as much as I like the IronWolves, the lack of ObSec is a really big gap here, and the benefits that the Formations provide don't really feel like they're making up for it. Even before the Battle Company benefits, the full ObSec that the Demi-Company provides is pretty strong, and it takes something very compelling to forgo it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah, as much as I like the IronWolves, the lack of ObSec is a really big gap here, and the benefits that the Formations provide don't really feel like they're making up for it. Even before the Battle Company benefits, the full ObSec that the Demi-Company provides is pretty strong, and it takes something very compelling to forgo it. Yep,just like Orks,the lack of Objsec screws them out of several cool formations.Almost makes me wonder if the next edition will remove the rule from the game,,or perhaps change the criteria to requiring a unit(or presence) of at least 10 models or something like that. Anyhow,ill probably pick up the new digital SW dex that includes all the releases up to this point.If I do 40k at OFCC ill try out a themed list using one or more of the new formations:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm very sad that none of the formations have a command benefit called "Hungry Like the Wolf." Seems like a missed opportunity. See, I look at this and basically all I see is a Battle Company without ObSec and with more crappy tax units. No offense to you personally, pretre, but the SW formations just don't impress much. Having all your Drop Pods arrive on turn 1 is kinda neat and could potentially pair well with some of the other turn 1 reserve stuff... but you're spending so much on really mediocre units to enable it that I don't see it actually going anywhere in tournaments. Yeah, that's why I'm struggling with a new list. My Battle Company wolves are pretty damn good. I'm trying to find a way to fit a good list into the new framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 That being said, it is a big improvement over just C:SW and CoF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AbusePuppy Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yep,just like Orks,the lack of Objsec screws them out of several cool formations.Almost makes me wonder if the next edition will remove the rule from the game,,or perhaps change the criteria to requiring a unit(or presence) of at least 10 models or something like that. Well, Orks are in a bit of a different position- ObSec is certainly nice for them to have (because scoring objectives is how you win the game), but they are an overtly-aggressive army that has never really had any kind of want for a backup plan; they win by killing most or all of the enemy army. Tau are in a similar place, albeit done in a different phase of the game, but both of them are looking to simply eliminate anything that could potentially take objectives from them rather than playing for the game-end and winning on score. I think ObSec is a better way of scoring things than the old "only troops score" system, because it always felt weird to have nine units sitting on an objective but still lose the game because they came from the wrong slot despite being otherwise-identical. However, their philosophy on who gets ObSec and what formation/detachment benefits are "worth" giving it up for is incredibly haphazard, which is what really what needs to be fixed- not that I expect they will. That being said, it is a big improvement over just C:SW and CoF. Well, adding the Wulfen and a few formations and changes to the Iron Priest will help a bit, though I don't think they'll really alter SW's standings in the tournaments much. It actually makes them worse as allies (since you can no longer field an all-characters CotGW detachment to go along with bikes or whatever) and it doesn't really open up any strong builds. Ironwolves superficially resembles a Battle Company, but getting free transports is not the same as getting free upgrades on transports, especially when they lack a lot of the tools (Grav, etc) than SM get. I wouldn't go far as to say they're any worse off, as the Iron Priest change is really a sidegrade, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Well, you can still take a bunch of characters in CotGW with Servitors to fill your Elite slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 But you can't take the Servitors to fill slots if you took any Iron Priests, which are the main character you would want, since then the Servitor units would be slotless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 But you can't take the Servitors to fill slots if you took any Iron Priests, which are the main character you would want, since then the Servitor units would be slotless. True, but you can get WGBL on TWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I'd definitely rather have 2+ armor and a semi-free S10 AP1 melee weapon over +1WS. Equipped identically, the Priest is way cheaper and his stats are only barely worse. The WGBL isn't awful or anything, but the Priest was where the real hitting power was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Battle Leaders can also pick up Storm Shields, but yeah, the Priests have way better Points efficiency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Agreed. I need to get some time to make some lists and see if I can come up with something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 What book are legacies of glory in? Those would be free for iron wolves vehicles, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Also, are there any wacky FW dedicated transports that work with C:SW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Legacies of Glory are in IA2v2. I'm not aware of any cool Dedicated Transports you could get in there, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 What book are legacies of glory in? Those would be free for iron wolves vehicles, right? Hmmm. They are not an Option as per the list of Options found in each vehicle's datasheet, but I would need to check the exact wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Cool I'll look tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The IronWolves Rule specifies that "Weapons and Wargear" are free for their Vehicles. Legacies of Glory, as far as I can tell, are their own thing, not Weapons or Wargear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The IronWolves Rule specifies that "Weapons and Wargear" are free for their Vehicles. Legacies of Glory, as far as I can tell, are their own thing, not Weapons or Wargear. Yeah, I'm not seeing where it says they could as W&W in the book or the faq for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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