Xavier319

So, there are theses upgrades you can buy for space marine tanks from one of the IAs, legacies of war. LIke one that gives you tank hunter and 4+ save against haywire for 25 points because you were part of hte martian schism. Are those tourny legal generally?

alright, so they can join up, and show up with the guys, but not get their other special rules, seems totally fair, and what i was looking for. Thanks AP.

I dunno if this has been answered previously, but can you join an IC to the assault marines or hte devs in a skyhammer formation for hte first turn deep strike? how about to something like strike force ultra? Last time I checked, there was no agreed upon RAW ruling. Just checking.

Heh... SCOUT the codex out... heh....

I seriously tried to put in more acronyms into that post above, but i couldn't do it without being obvious. I have failed. ;_;

Buy me one pax. I dont want to be a cheater. Plz?

Grav pistols are really over-costed, until you charge that wraith knight with your Smash$&%#er, and he's striking at Init 1. super niche, but still.

hey pax, buy the new clan raukaan one for your own... 'research'... and let me know if the wording changed, okay? .... I kid. No money right now sadly.

yeah. cuz in CR it state that you use these rules when taking a list out of C:SM, so it's like alternate template of rules that you slap on top of C:SM, it's still a C:SM list.

Figured that you could. I just wanted to make sure, i should trust my own rules interpretations. Merci.

COnsidering the CLan Raukaan book is legal, can you use the clan raukaan rules and upgrades for a CAD? Gladius Strike formation? How about the other datasheets and formations like librarius conclave? I think you CAN, but I'm just making sure it jives rules wise.

that is what I thought. If the wording was "Grants them It will not die on a 4+", they WOULD get it. But because it says "make THEIR it will not die" and they dont already have it, they get nothing. but if they HAVE IWND, they get it on a 4+ (such as dreadnaughts or a vehicle with that forge world IWND upgrade). Check.

Since black library stated that all space marine supplamental codexes (such as Clan Raukaan and Sentinels of Terra) are still legal with the 2015 SM codex, i have a question about the ironstone. It states... "All iron hands vehicles and dreadnaughts pass their it will not die rolls on a 4+, and repair weapon destroyed and immobilized results on a 6+" Since the iron hands chapter tactic (regardless of whether you agree if this is RAI or not) states RAW that ONLY dreadnaughts get IWND, does this item give the rest of their vehicles IWND within the 12" raidus? It SEEMS to, but I wanted to double check. I'll reserve my own opinion until I hear a few of yours, I want to hear your thoughts without my reasoning polluting the pool, so to speak. Thanks!

I have a cool idea for an army, which i'll go into later when i hammer out the list. my questions are this... do vengeance weapon batters HAVE to target the nearest enemy? if i get the battlecannon one can they only shoot at the nearest enemy? and what boks are the tarantulas out of? and the other space marine ones, like the hyperios AA batterys and stuff. I"m trying to make a really cool 'perimeter defense' type army, showing an iron hands outpost being attacked and defended by serf troops, while the space marines come in to defend their command structure.

Yeah, I know that one is the only one that is symmetrical like that. Trust me. It's because it's a looted wagon. The mek wanted to try and recreate what he saw, and got carried away. He thought "Dem 'umies did it diz way, and it made a big boom". so he thought the symetry was what made it go boom. hah. Here are some WIP with the kopta, i know you guys wanted to see that. looted raider (old school), this is not done, but it's what i got so far. It's got a skorcha in the nose (figured a ork style flakk cannon was fine), and a twin-linked deffgun under the wings (there's your asymmetry!)

Also there's pictures of my lo0ted wagon with a killkannon and a skorcha! Next, the warkopta!

Here's some more! There is a top view of the mekboy junkka. also, my big trakk, which is an open-topped transport (AV 12/11/10) with a boarding blank, big shoota and skorcha. Lemmie know what you think!

I posted a build log in the artificer's forge, for people interested in seeing my tank and such take shape.

Here is where I will be putting up pictures of all the stuff I'm putting together for OFCC. Enjoy! First is my Mekboy Junkka. It' has a turreted supa skorcha, a hull-mounted skorcha, and two hull-mounted big shootas. it's AV 12 on all sides, and is (sometimes) a fast vehicle.

Thanks! Yeah, I noticed it was a feature of S&P, but NOT relentless... and i did a double, then a triple take. Then i looked it up again. Then i re-read it. And then i did it. I haven't looked back. We are in the era of 10 scatter lasers on ten bikes and gargantuan wraith knights and d-scythes, so I don't feel bad. I'm not saying any of that stuff is "unfair" or "overpowered" or whatever, I'm just saying, I'm gonna take what I can get, and model the guns to be on little motorized trukks, so it makes sense.

well you see, the grotz are part of the gun unit. and yes, the mek having S&P gives it to the unit, unlike relentless. the vehicles actually block for the mek gunz. the gunz follow the transports, giving the 4++ to the tanks for a turn or two to prevent me from getting alpha struck off the table. then everything splits up, and the boys all dehorse and engage. the massive unit of grotz and gunz do their thing, proving fire support, killing key targets and claiming objectives. I have a TON of grotz myself, so it doesnt bother me, i just had 'em lying around. I also built the gunz from scratch, so I didnt have to drop the 46 bucks or whatever on each of the five kannons.

let's see.. buried in the middle of the army, it's nearly impossible to actually get to them, so they have yet to be assaulted. In addition, with the rest of the army barreling down the board at the opponent, they are rarely ever shot at, mostly because there are few units that can actually make that shooting count. With proper grot placement, they will mostly just be killing Tough 7 4++ save grotz, which just feels.. pointless. With how it's set up, including the gunz, you have to kill seven models in order to force a test at Ld 8, making leadership manipulation difficult. I did have them delayed by a farseer once using dominate to cause them to miss a shooting phase. Their shooting is incredibly punishing, and with five ammo runtz, I can choose to re-roll at the over-heat stage, or after i actually roll the scatter, making them FAR more reliable than people are expecting out of ork shooting. Str 8 means they can anti-tank, they can anti-MEQ, anti-MC, or whatever, and they double a lot of things out. Move and shoot (while gamey and silly) is a huge boon, and they cant stand and shoot anyway. That and people always roll their eyes when the mek adds his kustom-megablasta to the volley (though 5's to hit is still bad). As for specific stories.. they are brutal to all kinds of crisis suits. I've had them (with decent scatter) wipe out almost two units of suits in one firing phase, since every shot doubles them out. I've had them take out everything short of a land-raider, and they are board control. The mek's KFF protects my tanks, and the gunz. People are (rightfully so) afraid of that many powerful blasts, so it restricts and controls movement and board placement. And if they DO shoot at your gunz, it's shooting that's not going at your boyz. and in a pinch, the mega mek can do some work in CC if he has to (though I wouldn't advise it). Best thing they've ever done so far was one game they worked in tandem with my lootaz. The lootaz hulled out a tank, and the kannons finished off what was inside. this happened four turns in a row, like clockwork. Devastating against MEQ. Also by the nature of blasts, you can use targeting shenanigans to target tanks or units you CAN see in order to hit stuff hiding behind it with the blast template. Sorry for the wall of text!

Sorry, i Use a short-hand and i'm too lazy to re-do it. I'll fix that next time I post a list. i WISH you could take 'ard armor just on nobz still. :( Want me to tell some mek gunz stories here, let you know how they've done on the table?

... i did what? HA. dumb me, sorry! That's my OFCC list. i'll send it again. i'm an idiot. enjoy the D&D paper. as for the kannons, they work amazing. just keep them out of assault. most people avoid them like the plague since they are so hard to kill with shooting. and the kannons are brutal against most effective lists. five plasma cannons that are str 8 (!) are amazing. they do so much damage. List resent to the email Fluger.