Talonwinter

What are the rules for the assault claw? Wanting to make sure I understand the formation before I add 2 cents worth.

The list you listed I have all the big bugs. The Mucolid is the issue as I have not got the models for it yet. I only have 3. As for the 1st list I agree it has all the fire power needed. But scoring is a big issue. As for list 2 and 3. The Hormagaunts are a big I dare you to come close sign. the will wreak more units on the charge. Even with 2+ saves. With the Malanthrope they give me the option to put them in a ruin in a different part of my deployment while the spore-mines man the ADL in a different part of the deployment zone. I have found that people will go after the hormagaunts, the Malanthrope ,maybe a tyrant. Leavening my Comm's relay alone. If they go after both I usually get to kill a army that's spread out and I can pick off piece by piece when I come in. I place the ADL to put a unit way out of play to go get the units hiding behind the ADL. What do you think of the last army?

First, Sorry for this giant wall of text. I worked on this and I am just needed some feed back. I all I have been reworking my list over the past month or so. With the changes to the ITC I have done some tweaking as well. So I have 4 list that I have been working on. I lost a game to a guy in the area and he got to pick one of my unit for the next tournament. He picked the Trygon Prime with the reaper artifact, I recently finished for a local custom model contest. I love the model and don’t mind using him and he’s been effective in the list I have been running. So the unit has to stay. So the list have come up with are below. I’m open to ideas for the list. The first one is the one I think most people will like as it is all offence. The two middle ones are very alike in that they have a solid back field but with different striking abilities. The last, 4 option is closer to the first list with a screening unit included. I think it is more a TAC list. The first list is a spam list with 3 Carnifex’s and 3 tyrants. The trygon get dropped behind the Carnifex’s in cover while the tyrants go after the biggest threats. As the Carnifex open things up the trygon has been very us as a counter attack unit allowing my Carnifex’s to get clear of combat and shoot more. Its work well. It is a Null style list so it is week at getting secondary point in the first turn for the ITC missions. Here the list option 1 +++ Option 1(1850pts) +++ ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] + Fast Attack + Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine] Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine] + Heavy Support + Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay] ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) ++ + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] Ripper Swarm Brood 3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike] + Heavy Support + Trygon Prime [The Reaper of Obliterax] List option 2 This list has a solid back field with large 29 man blob of hormagaunts with a 2+ cover save from the Malanthrope. This also allows me to leave my tyrants on the table if I wish to strike 1st turn. I like the Hormagaunts over the termagants as I feel the will do more damage to any unit that gets close for less points. I have had then whip out 6 man units of TWC with ease. I have thought about dropping some hormagaunts to get a biovore or two just not sure if it is worth it. The list: +++ option 2 (1847pts) +++ ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Elites + Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope] + Troops + 29x Hormagaunt [29x Toxin Sacs] Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] + Fast Attack + Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine] + Heavy Support + Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Trygon Prime [The Reaper of Obliterax] Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay] ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) ++ + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] List option 3 This list drops a Carnifex and a drop spore for a Mawloc and a unit of Biovore. I left this list has more tools with the ap2 from the Mawloc. And is better VS Necrons and the new preference fore warrior blobs as it can put a large amount of wound on the unit and halves their saves. I think it would still put pressure on most armies. But if I miss with the Mawloc like I tend to and with the biovores. It is more of a gamble. It also doesn’t pack as big as a threat in the opponents back field when coming in. The list: +++ option 3 (1850pts) +++ ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Elites + Malanthrope Brood [Malanthrope] + Troops + Hormagaunt Brood 30x Hormagaunt [30x Toxin Sacs] Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] + Heavy Support + Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Mawloc Trygon Prime [The Reaper of Obliterax] Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay] ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) ++ + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] + Fast Attack + Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine] + Heavy Support + 2x Biovore List Option 4: While this list doesn’t have the pure offence of the first list, it still hits hard when it comes in. While giving an opponent a hard choice as what to kill off. With the hormagaunts, Carnifex’s and the trygon prime all saying hello you must pick what to kill before the next turn. The hormagaunts and the trygon have worked well together in killing thing, even WK. I been very happy with them. With the tyrants and everything coming in together in a Tyranid version of an alpha/ Bata strike I can normally kill everything in the zone I pick to come in within two turns. This list tends to do what the first does and be null deployment as much as possible. +++ New Roster (1850pts) +++ ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters] + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + 20x Hormagaunt [20x Toxin Sacs] Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore] + Fast Attack + Spore Mine Cluster [4x Spore Mine] Spore Mine Cluster [4x Spore Mine] + Heavy Support + Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms] Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay] ++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Allied Detachment) ++ + HQ + Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings] + Troops + Ripper Swarm Brood 3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike] + Heavy Support + Trygon Prime [The Reaper of Obliterax] Honestly I don't know what to take. Please give some thoughts options anything really. Thanks for your time reading that wall of Text.

voted looking forward to the changes for the final tweaking can began.

SO we have 38 players. Do we know what the army// meta is shaping up is yet? I may have 2 more people calling up next week. A dark Eldar player and another Tyranid player. Do we need to turn in a army list before the tournament???

SO I have a question on the new d-scythes for the eldar? What str is the flame template? They seam the use str for to figure out in it cause's instant death. So does that mean they are str 4 or str 8 or str 10 to wound? Also they have - one on the D chart. So does that mean on a rolls of a 1 or 2 they do no damage??

if it has a ton of ST. D Shooting:) probly not. Most like yes you can but lets see it first to make sure it is not a apoc book or something odd like that

Go to the frontline gaming website look under the ITC format in the drop menu. It has all the rules and missions.

Please let us know as it can be hard to find or see some times.

Are we going to be using the missions posted or will they change when Itc update the mission? Did they update already the mission?? I guess I should have asked that first.

I am sorry you are not getting to play with the Lynx. But I am very glad that unit will not be in the game anymore. With 2 Large blast D templates that rarely miss. I don't know if you where running it on a landing pad or not. That made it almost impossible for some armies to kill it. As for eldar being able to handle IK's. I'd love to have the option that book has for doing it. Eldar have been winning tournaments without the Lynx for a long time now. 3 IK are hard I agree but that codex has the tools to do it in many different ways. As for what's the big scare of ranged D weapons. Have you played VS. it??? Every time I have played VS. it I have had my most powerful units // models kill with no option to fight it. It is no fun to put model on the table and then have to take them right off no mater how good of a defiance I had set up... having large %'s of your army die every turn is no fun. Eldar already kills my army at range, they don't need twin linked large blast D as well to make it faster. I do understand the frustration with Adlance formation. It is a big threat to my army as well. At lest you have a lot of option with melta and ap 1, 2 weapons. Eldar are fast and very mobile You can easily out maneuver IK's for objectives and last min grabs at the end of games. Try Fighting them without Melta and Ap1,2 weapons like I have to do. You will do fine VS even 3 IK with eldar. Just play to the armies strengths. Really Eldar have very few if any bad units.

Are we going to be using the new ITC ruling and mission for this Tournament? Since they are releasing the new format in the next few days?

While I don't agree with everything. I will say at lest they asked. They could have made some odd ruling like with the Tyrannocyte gun ruling. As for saying people wanted more detachment. If you added them together maybe. They had 4 options only one can win. it doesn't matter if two are similar to each other. Could the voting format been done better yes. I have never seen a case where it couldn't have been better. The big thing here is that there was voting allowed. They use a simple way of interpreting it and apply it over all the question. There are some very smart people that play this game that can and have offered to help them do a better job next time. I hope they take that offer of help.. For now we have a rule set to use. Lets be glad for that and look forward to the year ahead.

As for the tournament at Forever knight they used the ITC format missions they have that setup in for the reasons abuse puppy said. Being able to seize no matter who goes first is fair. In the BRB right now if you win the right to go first or second you lose the right to seize if you give up going first.

Could we change it up and make this a Highlander tournament. Is it to late to do that???

My list I played you with has changed a lot. Another spore fex and a extra flyrant. it will hit very hard.

So you used 3 detachments. Cool I was trying to do that as well but I lack the models for it to work. Yes I dropped the Raveners, Tervigon crone, venom and termagants for a lot more offence and Deployment options. I will have to counter you ground presence carefully. Who ever gets to pick who goes first and second will have a good advantage that's for sure. So many pods. The most I have faced is 5 maybe 6. Pods can be most troublesome to destroy at times.

That would be cool Our list would be a interesting dual. My list has changed a lot lately. Centurion's would be a new wrinkle to deal with. Are they with your space wolves or a SM army? Of course playing you in the finals would be epic again.

Sweet maybe we can get a rematch in the final round . My Tyranids are always hungry.

I see we are not post to bring dice. Are you providing them? Is there something else we are not to bring. Sorry this is my frist time at this event. Was just wondering.

Hope grabed the tyranid one this morn. Look forward to playing if all goes well

When will the secound set of stated for the 5 dollars to hold a army. I love to play Tryanids but west rider beat me to it by one day. lol

i have one more coming maybe two look forward to playing

Any info about the missions before the tourny?

I love to play in this. Is ther a way to sign up as a backup for the tyranids. They only army I play . If not i will stop by and see how the games are going.