Aventine Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looks pretty good. Taller and less wide then what I have seen people use so far... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Good luck hiding that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 The Price ive seen posted around is 100.00...... Ill pass on this one if that's true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Honestly? I don't really like it much. But since my scratchbuild is about the same base size but less tall, I feel pretty on the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPcom Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Great, a piece of LOS blocking terrain deployable by an opponent with some amazing rules. I do like the aesthetics of the model, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Color me disappointed. The detail is fine but the basic shape just looks bad for some reason (robot dicks?) like not much thought was put into it. At least now there is a good benchmark for sizing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Color me disappointed. The detail is fine but the basic shape just looks bad for some reason (robot dicks?) like not much thought was put into it. At least now there is a good benchmark for sizing. Well, GW seems to be making a point of failing in their recent model photography. It will probably be a great kit with a really amazing appearance, but you won't be able to tell until you see one made by one of the ordo guys.... I am glad that GW's making a model of this one. Nothing worse than a model with good rules and no clue what in looks like...at least it's terrible for game balance. Remember the old battlewagon issues? Or spore pods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Great, a piece of LOS blocking terrain deployable by an opponent with some amazing rules. I do like the aesthetics of the model, though. I don't get why people thing the VSG is "amazing" and on par with Escalation and 2++ rerollables for ruining the game. It's a Chimera that protects your whole army but not against Drop Pods. With no guns. For 100pts. Does anyone here have trouble killing Chimeras? Three AV12 hull points just isn't that big a deal. Yeah, it can be annoying if they consistently keep popping up every turn, but people freaked out about the Aegis Defense Line and G.I. JOE PLAYSET early in 6th Edition as well, and neither of those turned out to be game-breakers. Or, in fact, auto-includes for most armies. I don't think the VSG is any different; it's a useful piece of defensive terrain you can build an army around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Color me disappointed. The detail is fine but the basic shape just looks bad for some reason (robot dicks?) like not much thought was put into it. At least now there is a good benchmark for sizing. I feel like if you are seeing robot dicks in there, it probably has more to do with your mindset than the terrain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 That's a camera phone photo of a printed photo so I can't blame the photography team. It looks like an end table tipped upside down, found at some grandma's house. Bleh. I'll be scratch building one. AbusePuppy, weren't you quite enamored with the VSG for your trying-to-be-broken Warhound cheddar list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threejacks Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 According to the SH assault data sheet for it its supposed to have battlements too..I guess it kinda does but they already look crowded with the Support totems in there. Personally I a lot more interested in scratch building one after seeing this thing..at least now we will some solid dimensions to go by:) But really I don't think I would field one yet as there is just too many issues with the rules about the projected shields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimThom Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I will order one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Looks kind of like it was made from a bunch of Sonic Screwdrivers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andozane Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I will order one. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 AbusePuppy, weren't you quite enamored with the VSG for your trying-to-be-broken Warhound cheddar list? Being the only thing that can stop a Str D shot doesn't make it broken in and of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Being the only thing that can stop a Str D shot doesn't make it broken in and of itself. To be fair, it doesn't really stop the D shots any differently than having another unit take the shot for it. It's very close to the same thing as just putting a unit in a vehicle. The vehicle make take the D hit, but the unit inside will likely survive. Though the notable difference is that shots to the transport can't carry over to the transported unit, so in many respects a unit inside a transport is more durable than a unit in the open which is protected by a VSG (against D weapons anyway). TLOS blocking remains the most viable defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Unless a Large Vehicle, like, say, your own LoW is what you need to protect. No way you're getting one of those in a Transport. Also, Transports don't regenerate on a 5+ and can't cover multiple Vehicles at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The fact that it protects multiple units tends to be irrelevant, since the enemy is pretty much always gonna have to kill it regardless of what they want to shoot at. Regenerating is certainly a strong ability, but it's unreliable (you roll at the end of your turn, so it's impossible to know if you'll get anything out of it when planning your actions) and is counterbalanced by the fact that often enough the Shield won't protect you because you're out of its range or the enemy is inside its range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 The thing about protecting multiple Units is that it lets you do that without completely restructuring your list and turning it into a (semi)Mech army. And yes, it does have the tradeoff that once they drop the one set of Shields, all those Units become exposed instead of just one. But for some builds, that tradeoff is a significant bonus. Also, it never gives up VP/First Blood like Transports do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 They look to have sold out in minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventine Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 1000 at 100 a pop? Good on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Apparently there are still some down under, but that's just because the time of day it is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Also, it never gives up VP/First Blood like Transports do. Was under the impression that the SA book changed this one. Might be wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Nope. SA actually makes it explicit that Fortifications are never counted for any variety of Victory Points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yeah, it notes that they don't count for mission objectives unless the mission explicitly states otherwise (or you agree otherwise with your opponent.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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