spacewolved Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 So I want to try my hand at a tournament list that does not include a deathstar of some sort. So here is what I'm thinking at 1850pts. Yarrick -145 Primaris psyker w/ lvl 2- 75 Primaris psyker w/ lvl 2- 75 Primaris psyker w/ lvl 2- 75 Priest w/ pg- 40 Priest w/ pg- 40 PCS w/ medic,vox, h flamer, flamer- 65 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 PCS w/ medic,vox, h flamer, flamer- 65 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 Inf Sqd w/ pw,pg,lc,vox-105 Hydra- 70 Hydra- 70 Vanquisher w/las -145 Aegis w/ quadgun- 100 Coteaz- 100 6xHenchman w/ 3x pg -44 6xHenchman w/ 3x pg -44 6xHenchman w/ 3x pg -44 1827pts Yarrick, a priest, and a psyker goes in one blob. Coteaz, a priest, a psyker goes in the other. With 8 rolls on the divination chart I can hope for one 4++ power to show up and let one of the blobs push midfield. Almost every unit will be twin linked. I feel like I should be scared of av14 but my meta is filled with Eldar, Tau and demons so I should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yarrik, a priest and a psyker go into a bar... ;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 4++ only goes so far with T3 and only 30 wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne_Cobbb Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Do commissars still shoot people who perils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The rule is on the primaris, not on the commissars. So, they will execute a primaris, but not an allied Inquisitor for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne_Cobbb Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The rule is on the primaris, not on the commissars. So, they will execute a primaris, but not an allied Inquisitor for instance. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Why lascannon in platoon squads? Some yes, but all seems to limit movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Why lascannon in platoon squads? Some yes, but all seems to limit movement? Tyranid is getting a boost on May 16th. The new design is amazing and makes the Knight Titan look like a mechaSloth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The fluff implies a tyranid invasion of Terra in the early days of the Emperor getting things set up, long before the Primarchs. Kinda like the Dragon on Mars, but Terra. Tau have fraught similar monsters for as long as they can remember. Maybe Tau will get a fat sheet to represent this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahad911 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Tyranid is getting a boost on May 16th. The new design is amazing and makes the Knight Titan look like a mechaSloth. I'm trying to figure out where this comment came from in relation to lascannon platoon squads? lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'm trying to figure out where this comment came from in relation to lascannon platoon squads? lol? +1 I'm very very confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Las cannons for killing uber bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolved Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well, I looked at my first list and noticed a lack of antitank. I don't really like auto cannons so las cannons it is. Plus everything being twin linked is nice. Also sniping out a opposing melta or sarge turn one with "take aim" order is nice. 6x twin linked las cannons shot with precision shot on a 4+? Yes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahad911 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well, I looked at my first list and noticed a lack of antitank. I don't really like auto cannons so las cannons it is. Plus everything being twin linked is nice. Also sniping out a opposing melta or sarge turn one with "take aim" order is nice. 6x twin linked las cannons shot with precision shot on a 4+? Yes please. 4+? I know about the "interpretation" that all of the hits with that order are precision, and the more likely one that it's on 6's... Where's 4+ coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Rai is clear 6+ for precision, and can't be snap fire meaning, moving hw teams don't count hits of 6 as precision. Arguably raw favors 6s over all hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Ok then explain the Benediction pistol which grants Precision Shot and can only be taken by a character. Seems to me all hits are precision with the order other than snapfire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Also, the precision shot rule as it is laid out is clear that a character that rolls a 6 to hit is granted a precision shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Alternate explanation for the pistol: GW is bad at rules. I find that a lot more likely/acceptable than "alright, looks like you got sixty-five Precision hits again. Go ahead and start allocating them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 To be fair, I think the rai is obviously 6s only, so I'ma gunna play like that. But I also think the raw is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 RAW it does literally nothing. There is no "Precision Shots" special rule in the rulebook. The special rules (previously called USRs) are listed from pages 32-43 and nowhere in there is anything called "Precision Shots." If anyone wants to get pedantic about things, there's no going halfway with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I disagree heartily. Pg 63 clearly lines out what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Page 63, if you will note, is not in the part of the book labeled Special Rules. Like 5th Edition's Universal Special Rules, that phrase does actually have a specific meaning within the context of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think that's a pretty obtuse way of looking at things. That's like saying a cover save has no rule because it isn't in the USR section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Er, no, I would say that if a piece of gear had a rule that said "This model gains the Cover Save special rule" it would be an equivalent situation. "Rules" and "special rules" aren't the same thing. The issue is that people are trying to argue it as a RAW thing, that it MUST mean all shots are allocatable. RAW it means nothing- a degree of interpretation has to be used in understanding what the rule means. If we are doing that anyways, I don't think it's unfair to take into consideration the actual game effect and its power level- I'm pretty sure I had more or less this exact same conversation with you regarding the Necron Death Ray back when it came out, and I think we both know how that ended up. "I can allocate every single shot from my squad" is simply too powerful an effect to mindlessly assume that's what GW meant when there are other valid interpretations for the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 OK, I see what you are saying now that I look at it again. Regardless, I plan on playing it like 6s are Precision Shots and the Emperor's Benediction Heirloom of Conquest (which I will never buy, because...why get it?) as all hits count as Precision Shots. I think that is the clear RAI, and, as you say and I see now, the RAW is stupidly muddy. DAMMIT GW, get your [big bad swear word] together! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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