PumpkinHead Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 With the ITC format FAQ it states the following: Treat the five weapons on a Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst as if they are hull mounted weapons on a vehicle (i.e. they have a 45 degree firing arc). I find this ruling ridiculous as the Tyrannocyte is a MC and as such has a 360 degree firing arc, no matter where the guns are pointed. So it would just shoot which ever unit is closest to the base with all 5 guns. I am wondering what the HOG will rule for the Tyrannocyte and its shooting. The ruling will help my decision on including them in my army. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Do we have a format for either yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Also, on topic, I don't think that's a horrible ruling. It's clearly intended to be a 'vehicle-like' MC. Is it doing a pirouette of doom in order to engage a single target with all five guns? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 As an MC, can it really fire 5 weapons per turn? Pretty sure they cap out at 2 weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Instinctive Fire: Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the nearest enemy unit within range and line of sight. The shots are resolved at the end of the Shooting phase before Morale checks are taken. I forgot about the part that says line of sight... but with MCs having 360 line of sight, it makes it hard to say that each gun targets something in a 45 degree arc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I was thinking more about this after we discussed it last week. Aren't these models also immobile? I would think that because they don't move that that is why they would put the 45 degree limitation on them. It makes sense to me, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Also, on topic, I don't think that's a horrible ruling. It's clearly intended to be a 'vehicle-like' MC. Is it doing a pirouette of doom in order to engage a single target with all five guns? How does any MC target in a 360 arc? The Tyrannocyte makes no less sense than the others in that regard. I don't like the ruling because it's a direct contradiction of the way the rules work without a particularly good rationale for why other than "we don't like that." Tyrannocytes certainly aren't breaking the game with their firepower and while GW's intent with the rule may be relatively clear, they completely [big bad swear word]ed up the actual implementation of the rule. That sort of rationale can easily lead to further sliding until you're at the point of "well, we think they intended the rule to do this other thing so we rewrote it completely." Unfortunately, ITC does a lot of that. I was thinking more about this after we discussed it last week. Aren't these models also immobile? The Tyrannocyte is able to move. You're thinking of the Sporocyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Ah, I think I'd have no issue with this on a mobile unit, but on the immobile one, I like the idea of a fixed fire arc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 To be clear, I have no issue with a 360 fire arc on a mobile unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Yeah, the tyrannocyte can move and consolidate, just not run and charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Instinctive Fire: Each weapon on this model automatically fires at the nearest enemy unit within range and line of sight. The shots are resolved at the end of the Shooting phase before Morale checks are taken. Any notes regarding firing at legal targets, or is it like the buildings, which techically target an the nearest enemy regardless of legally being able to fire at them...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Nope, that was the copy and paste from the pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 So, HoG, any stance regarding buildings, and these things, and targeting legal enemies? BVO does fix it with their FAQ. Issue is that as written, they "target" the nearest enemy. In this edition, "Targeting" is determined prior to the point where weapons are selected. In theory, RAW-wise, the Vengeance weapon batteries must target a flyer if it is the nearest enemy. Then they select their battle cannon and automatically miss the flyer with no scatter roll even attempted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I don't mind a RAW-changing Ruling that restricts them to some firing arc, but 45 degrees seems kind of ridiculously narrow for something that's supposed to be organic and flexible. It also really cuts down the effectiveness of what's already a pretty expensive Unit by making it almost impossible for it to focus it's fire at all, and very difficult for it to fire all weapons. I'd go with something more like a 135 degree arc if I were going to restrict it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I immediately pictured this thing pointing all its guns straight up and then bending over kinda like at the waist to fire at a single target unit. Didn't care if it was immobile or not. Just needed to say that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I immediately pictured this thing pointing all its guns straight up and then bending over kinda like at the waist to fire at a single target unit. Didn't care if it was immobile or not. Just needed to say that...I have now been convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I immediately pictured this thing pointing all its guns straight up and then bending over kinda like at the waist to fire at a single target unit. Didn't care if it was immobile or not. Just needed to say that... Some sort of yoga pose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is there a better way to get the HOGs attention and get an answer? Or do I just wait and see if he answers this thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Pm bigtal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 If you have a question for the HoG for the 40k Team/Open event, please PM them if they have not responded to your post on this thread within a reasonable amount of time (i.e. over a week). The HoG will address the issues when they can. @Pumkinhead until BigTal has made a ruling you may assume that since he is using the ITC rules packet that he will be using their faq/erratas/rulings until he specifically states otherwise. Just a good general rule to use. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I see now that the 40k Open is an ITC event. So I can understand the ruling there. But for the team event I will message BigTal and see what his take is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTal Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 We will be using the itc faq for rulings in the team event as well. For things that havent been addressed pm me or post in the ofcc 40k team event thread. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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