barca Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Some of the FoW players have been kicking around the topic of the next FoW tournament. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Late war or mid war? I'm in a late war state of mind right now.,, with the official LW tourney points being 1900. We could do a themed tourney like "Market Garden" or just do a normal tourney. Or get fancy and do a doubles tourney ... though that would be harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Let me know where and when... And how many points.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEKE Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Late Late War period so 'Desperate Measures' 'Remagen' 'Nacht Jagr' 'Brelin'. Points should be 1,945. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted July 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Battlefront lists 1900 points as the recommended size for late war in the 2014 - 2015 Tournament Season. Flames Of War Events Worldwide Points Totals For The 2014 - 2015 Tournament Season The official points totals for the 2014 - 2015 North American tournament season have now been decided and are as follows: http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=57 Period Points Early-war 1390 points Mid-war 1710 points Late-war 1900 points That being said, we don't have to use 1900... If we are NOT qualifying anyone for the Nationals (see below), then we can set the size at any number of points that we can agree upon. Upcoming Flames Of War Events in North America http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1984 Dates Event Period Points To Be Confirmed West Coast Nationals Late-war 1900 points As for late war books, there are currently 15: PAIRED LW HANDBOOKS###################FW112 Market Garden (Allies) - February 2013FW113 Bridge by Bridge (Axis) - June 2014FW114 Atlantik Wall (Axis) - 2013FW115 Overlord (Allies) - 2013FW116 Grey Wolf (Revised Edition) (Axis) - 2013FW117 Red Bear (Revised Edition) (Allies) - 2013FW118 Fortress Italy (Axis) - March 2014FW119 Road To Rome (Allies) - February 2014UN-PAIRED LW HANDBOOKS###################FW232 Berlin (Both) - June 2015FW220 Blood, Guts & Glory (Both) - April 2012FW222 Devil's Charge (Both) - July 2012FW223 Nuts! (Both) - October 2012FW227 Desperate Measures (Both) - November 2013FW230 Bridge At Remagen (Both) - June 2014FW231 Nachtjäger (Both) - February 2015 With so many books, it is unlikely that any one of us has read or can recall all the sprecial rules covered in these volumes. If we make the tournament this broad, then I recommend that each gamer extract the special rules that apply to their force, and have a copy of those special rules available for their opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 why complicate things? Lets just play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 So I'm hearing 1900 points LW... I'm game for that - working on a couple of lists now... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 RE: ...complicate things? One man's "compication" is 'nother man's "preparedness" I like the idea of "Know your Enemy", but the original book is out of date. Even if I had this edition, it too, is now out-of-date: FW221 Know Your Enemy - Late War - 2012 Editionhttp://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1730978-0987660930http://www.amazon.com/Know-Your-Enemy-Late-Flames/dp/0987660934 At least 5 of the LW books came out AFTER this KYE edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEKE Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Having played US armor since Late War began, I have noticed major playable differences in US Tank company lists from normandy to remagen. BGG I think is still one of the best for US tank company, but I am more looking at how a Normandy list competes in tournaments vs how Later books perform. The Normandy lists can compete but not as well as BGG or Remagen. To me, LW has 3 phases and the lists from the first phase has difficulty going against lists from the 3rd phase. The first phase being Normandy comp, and Market Garden Comp: AT for sherman 76 is 12 and german infantry platoons don't have Faust on everything. The Second phase being BGG, Devils Charge, and Nuts: AT for sherman 76 is now 13, germans infiantry platoons are nothing but Faust RMG, and crap tons of panthers leaning towards being unreliable (not the stat rule) The Third phase being Remagen, Desperate measures, Berline, Nacht Jager: US now have Heavy Tanks and more AT13, germans tanks are getting fewer and more unreliable (not the stat rule), russians are getting fewer but heavier. To me, it feels like LW should be broken down into at least 2 parts, 1944 LW and 1945 LW. I know, I know the points are supposed to reflect it, but for US Tanks going up against German Tanks, They can NOT get enough of that higher AT13. Normandy lists allows for up to 9x AT12. Remagen can be up to 15x AT13 or higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I have not compared lists for the same equipment/uints acroos different books, but I grant that it is likely that there may be some diffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Requesting feedback on possible date, venue and time. My suggestions: Place/venue: GG in pdx Dates: selected Sundays in October (Saturdays are quite booked at GG.): -- Sunday, October 4-- Sunday, October 18 but possible colision on 18th with "Wings of War" 'Couch Pilots' Gaming group, (if anyone does both WoW and Fow)Time: 12-8 PM setup 12:00-12:30, Start 12:30 PM, End 7:00 PM, Awards 7:00-7:30, tear down: 7:30-8:00 PM (closing at 8 PM) 120 min per battle, (x3) plus 15 min between battles = 6.5 hours These dates appear to be too busy at GG:-- Every Saturday in October, MTG - Saturday Sealed 12pm – 5pm-- Saturday, Oct 3, 10:00 AM, Level Up - Saga Tournament-- Sunday, October 11, Euro Board Game Day!, 12pm – 7pm-- Sunday, October 25, Euro Board Game Day!, 12pm – 7pm Open to other suggestions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 Saturday might work out for the tournament, after all. I was trying out SAGA with jesselowe on Historical Game day last Saturday, and the open gaming area was not packed like I thought it might be. If there is a big desire for Saturday over Sunday, it might be do-able. We would have to coordinate with the staff at GG, to be certain that we could get enough tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 At this point the only day I have blocked is October 10th... selfishly I'd like it on the later date so I have more time to paint... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Addressing Zeke's concerns, I analyzed the time periods of the late war books. Here is the raw data, sorted chronologically: FoW Late-War Handbooks start endFW116 Grey Wolf (Revised Ed.) 1944.01 1945.02FW117 Red Bear (Revised Ed.) 1944.01 1945.02FW118 Fortress Italy 1944.01 1945.05FW119 Road To Rome 1944.01 1945.05FW114 Atlantik Wall 1944.06 1944.09FW115 Overlord 1944.06 1944.09FW112 Market Garden 1944.09 1944.11FW113 Bridge by Bridge 1944.09 1944.11FW220 Blood, Guts & Glory 1944.09 1945.01FW222 Devil's Charge 1944.12 1944.12FW223 Nuts! 1944.12 1944.12FW227 Desperate Measures 1945.01 1945.04FW230 Bridge At Remagen 1945.02 1945.04FW231 Nachtjäger 1945.03 1945.05FW232 Berlin 1945.04 1945.05I charted the timeline and saw 4 clear groups:1. ALL Late-War (15 books)Sub-groups2. JUN 44-MAY 45 (11 books)3. SEP 44-MAY 45 (9 books)4. DEC 44-MAY 45 (6 books) To keep the choices simple, I propose one of two choices: A) We include all LW books in the tournament, or B) The tournament is limited to SEP 44-MAY 45 [1944.09-1945.05] (9 books): FW112 Market Garden 1944.09 1944.11 FW113 Bridge by Bridge 1944.09 1944.11 FW220 Blood, Guts & Glory 1944.09 1945.01 FW222 Devil's Charge 1944.12 1944.12 FW223 Nuts! 1944.12 1944.12 FW227 Desperate Measures 1945.01 1945.04 FW230 Bridge At Remagen 1945.02 1945.04 FW231 Nachtjäger 1945.03 1945.05 FW232 Berlin 1945.04 1945.05 Any votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Later date, for example early November? Don't want to get too close to the holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 BTW, I finally got Zeke's reference to 1945 points. Boy did I feel dumb about missing the obvious, there! Made a couple of trial lists with 1945 pts, and found interesting combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEKE Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm for a Late-Late War using the latest books. Desperate Measures, Remagen, Nachtjager, and Berlin. It would also be interesting to see how each of the lists from these books stack up against each other. Also, Early November is a good idea. Saturday November 7th or Saturday November 14th It'll also give use more time to prepare and advertise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Shaping up the 5W's of the tournament: WHAT: Flames of War Late-War tournament. WHY: To get together with buds, bash enemies, show off, have fun, compete, win prizes! WHEN: Preferred dates: Either Saturday, 7 or 14 NOV Alternate dates: Either Sunday, 8 or 15 NOV We will finalize the date with taran.shannara in the next week or two WHERE: Guardian Games, in Portland, so long as we can get enough tables on those dates. We want to support our local stores. WHO: 1945 point army lists, from Battlefront FoW Late War Handbooks, Limited to books that include the year 1945. Going with the "1945 theme", these are the books that have armies in 1945: FoW Late-War Handbooks start endFW116 Grey Wolf (Revised Ed.) 1944.01 1945.02FW117 Red Bear (Revised Ed.) 1944.01 1945.02FW118 Fortress Italy 1944.01 1945.05FW119 Road To Rome 1944.01 1945.05FW220 Blood, Guts & Glory 1944.09 1945.01FW227 Desperate Measures 1945.01 1945.04FW230 Bridge At Remagen 1945.02 1945.04FW231 Nachtjäger 1945.03 1945.05FW232 Berlin 1945.04 1945.05 $ savers: Some FoW stuff available on Ordo Rogue Trader: ordofanaticus.com/index.php?/forum/14-rogue-trading/ At GG (and also online), there are now boxes of plastic minis. These are cheaper than the lead/resin, and have more bits (think 2 diff turrets per tank, variable guns, etc) The infantry in the plastic kits have more poses and little to no flash. Mould lines are minimal. And last, you could always borrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I'm booked the weekend of Nov 7-8 - can we focus on the following weekend? I'm open both days... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 BTW - are we just using the BOOKS - or are the digital briefings attached to those books (i.e. the Panzer Division Muncheberg attached to Berlin) also fair game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Hmm. If this gets set in stone QUICKLY we culd have quite the shindig. I could start recruiting. I personally...personally...dont give a crap what points total it is or what's hot and what's not. I just wanna play. I have allowed my FOW brain cells to lay fallow for far too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Digital briefings OK. Only limits are: 1) Official Battelfront lists 2) Unit organization still good from January 1945 or later. For digital briefings: since they are not in any of the books, please bring a copy (digital or dead tree format), in case someone wants to review it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfen Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 So have we finalized a date at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Hmmmm, I don't think I have any forces for 1945. I have the armored recon for the brits, but I can't remember the book it came in.....dang..looks like Market Garden which is 1944. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 B g, Road to Rome has brit recce and goes to'45. If you check forces.flamesofwar.com - digital - you will see 4 diff British recce companies, using reference "road to Rome." If you use digital, you should not have to buy the road to Rome book. Then your British have a company list for the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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