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Lord Hanaur Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Yup. I imagine this will impact some people. I like that they are making clear the way that the Beacons work. Did the ITC ever ACTUALLY rule on that at any point? I would look but the textwall that is the ITC FAQ is...daunting. My annoyance overrides my will to look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 CTRL-F is tough. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 These rulings make me giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 So now it's just Wolf Scouts who suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Wow, blood angels scouts were marginally useful at bs/ws3, at 4s, they are goooood! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 So now it's just Wolf Scouts who suck. Fenrisian beer, one of the only things in the galaxy that can make a space marine drunk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Also, honestly, these are generally fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I actually do like all of these. I just wish they'd bring Wolf Scouts up to the same level on a per-Point basis, whether that's by further buffs or by making them cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Life is not a zero sum game. Not everyone gets a ribbon. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Wargames aren't life. It would be no more work than this to Errata Wolf Scouts down to 11 Points per Model, like all the other Scouts. Also, that's not how a zero-sum game works. A zero-sum game is when any improvement for one party comes at the expense of another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Wargames aren't life. It would be no more work than this to Errata Wolf Scouts down to 11 Points per Model, like all the other Scouts. Also, that's not how a zero-sum game works. A zero-sum game is when any improvement for one party comes at the expense of another. Not really the point? My point is, just because someone else gets something doesn't mean you should. There are copious differences between the two codex's to the point that its clearly possible that the strength the Space Wolves enjoy in some areas are simply counterbalanced somewhat by others. In the end it makes little difference. i expect that similar FAQ's, just as what happened to dreadnoughts, will happen on this. So be patient. the "blue ribbon" way of thinking is coming. Soon everyone will have scouts like this and it will move us onto the next inequity the gamer community is raging about, I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yeah, I know that theory. It holds in some areas. It does not for Wolf Scouts. They're exactly the same as regular Scouts, except more expensive, with less useful options, they're Elites instead of Troops, and there's less they can do to support the rest of the Dex. They were priced more expensively because at the time they had better WS/BS than all the other Scouts, but now that's been changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They seem to be very indecisive about how many Wall of Death hits a multishot template weapon gets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 My point is, just because someone else gets something doesn't mean you should. There are copious differences between the two codex's to the point that its clearly possible that the strength the Space Wolves enjoy in some areas are simply counterbalanced somewhat by others. Why not strive for internal balance and balance in general though? Obviously the best bang for you buck with Space Wolves is TWC and Wulfen. What if lowering the cost of Wolf Scouts made them more likely to appear on the board and create diversity of armies!? Unlike a lot of other things, the Scouts and Dreadnoughts thing was the easiest to point to and say, "Fix this!" because its obviously a more 1:1 comparison compared to say the dynamics of Sanguinary guard vs lone wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yeah, I know that theory. It holds in some areas. It does not for Wolf Scouts. We disagree. Its even in their fluff. But as I said, it won't matter soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Why not strive for internal balance and balance in general though? Obviously the best bang for you buck with Space Wolves is TWC and Wulfen. What if lowering the cost of Wolf Scouts made them more likely to appear on the board and create diversity of armies!? Unlike a lot of other things, the Scouts and Dreadnoughts thing was the easiest to point to and say, "Fix this!" because its obviously a more 1:1 comparison compared to say the dynamics of Sanguinary guard vs lone wolves. Internal balance does not require you to get what everyone else has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 You're being obtuse. If you can't see how making wolf scouts cheaper creates better internal balance and how it is easier to make 1:1 erratas, then I don't know what to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 You're being obtuse. If you can't see how making wolf scouts cheaper creates better internal balance and how it is easier to make 1:1 erratas, then I don't know what to say. There's nothing TO say. Internal balance has nothing to do with anything but your own codex. And within the confined of a single codex, a lower stat for Scouts isn't burying anyone's codex. They are described within the codex as less developed marines or whatever. it all fits. its just the way they are, fluff wise. But the Blue Ribbon panel wants all the cakes, and like i said: They will likely get it. Just a matter of time. The one thing i do like for the sake of Blood Angels, is that the Blood Angels were suffering a bit and this probably, in the case of Blood Angels, isn't an unjustified attempt to bring them back a little bit. It's like what other companies have shown a willingness to do: correct unintended imbalances. And from that perspective, i am highly supportive of them just coming out and saying "oops". there are a few other examples of this, like the Firing point on the Immolator and the Dreadnoughts. It's refreshing. i am very excited to see this kind of thing. But certainly NOT for the reason that "every scout should be the same". i don't agree with that LOGIC. That the codex's be somewhat balanced against each other as a whole? That I can get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted June 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They also published the Looted Wagon DS again: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Blog/ENGWD021_025_web.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 wowa. cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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