Sinewgrab

Any particular rules for comp?

So, I am looking for a couple of those Dark Angel Helmet bearers that came with the Dark Angel captain back in, oh, second or third edition, and I am also interested in the old-school Tyranid HunterSlayers, nee Termagants before they were called that. Anyone have any hanging about they would part with for less than a first born child? I have a fair amount of trade stock if you are looking for things, ask, I may have them.

Have you considered cutting them from the heads as well? I'll look and see what I have from my years of collecting.

How many are you looking for?

I would, but your mailbox is not accepting any new messages. :/

Ah, Clan War figures. I loved that game - too bad it died due to distributor horsepucky. Well done models.

What might you be looking for for them?

I am looking to see if I can get a couple of mount-less riders, the dreadlord from the dragon (if you used the Sorceress), old Knights, new knights, whatever. I need to convert them to heroes to ride the various Manticores I have scraped together over the last few months for my DE army. Anyone have any lying about collecting dust, neglected in a bits box? I may be able to trade something for them...

I can do that. This list looks good on the table, but plays sorta meh. Of course, if I could quit blowing up my own Steam Tank through incessant misfire rolls, it might do better. Team America - Warhammer Police (Stripes) Person’s Name – Ordo Forum Name Neil Marker - Sinewgrab LORDS [ 287/10.2] Arch Lector, General, Extra Hand Weapon, War Altar of Sigmar, Armour of Fortune [287] HEROES [ 563/20.1 ] Captain of the Empire, Battle Standard Bearer, Pistol, Armour of Meteoric Iron [140] Warrior Priest, Extra Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour [69] Warrior Priest, Extra Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour [67] Warrior Priest, Extra Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour [67] Battle Wizard, Level 2, Metal, Dispel Scroll [125] Master Engineer, Repeater Handgun, Talisman of Protection, [90] CORE [ 815 / 29.1] 33 Swordsmen, Musician, Standard Bearer, Duellist, Detachment - 15 Free Company, Detachment - 15 Free Company [441] 24 Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer, Sergeant [174] 10 Handgunners, Musician [100] 10 Handgunners, Musician [100] SPECIAL [ 884/31.6 ] 5 Pistoliers, Musician [100] 30 Greatswords, Musician,Standard Bearer, Count's Champion [360] 1 Great Cannon [120] 1 Great Cannon [120] 3 Inner Circle Knights, Musician, Halberd, Demigryph [184] RARE [250/8.9] 1 Steam Tank [250] TOTAL: 2798

Maybe I'll see if I can get that Friday off, and come set them up that morning.

So, out of curiosity, if I want to provide the board (as it would match the terrain better, being as they were built to co-exist, can I? And when do I need to have all this stuff to the location? Give us more details as to the specifics - I am not at any meetings of you monkeys, and Bryan doesn't always have all my answers.

Look again, and let me know if they came through. Neil

How many entries are allowed? Do you need to be playing in say, the 40k, in order to enter a table?

About time you stepped away from your children's round base games and started an adult hobby, Bryan.

So, now that everyone has gone and bought the new Dwarf gyros, anyone have the old 3-bladed metal ones that they are looking to offload at a reasonable price? Ebays average of $40 each is ridonkulous - they didn't cost that new, people. Besides, I am converting them for a Victorian Sci-Fi project, and would be just fine getting ones that are broken - my repair and conversions skills are mighty. Neil

The version of magic wash I have been using for the last 15 years or so is 50% Future, 25% isopropyl alcohol, and 25% float medium (I liked Ceramcoat Color Float when I can find it). The alcohol quickens the dry time a touch, and the float medium actually helps the colors when you mix it. I mix it depending on how deep I want the ink tone, usually about 5 parts wash to 1 part ink.

I am not sure it will help with any existing issues. A perfect rating system is leprechaun's gold. I think a huge problem with what the raters are asked to do is that they end up redoing the math that is the job of the captains, not the raters - thus why I compared to the HR person going through resumes. In theory, the only thing she is looking through is the resumes that have skills that apply (or are correctly put together). Giving them more time to do a part of the job that shouldn't be theirs in the first place at the expense of the participants? Doesn't feel like sound logic. And let's face it, a fair number of us were working by precedent, and expected to need to have them together August 1st. This was rather sudden, and somewhat unwelcome. Am I calmer now? Probably. Am I liking what I am seeing? Not really. It feels far more heavy-handed than years prior.

In a nutshell, yes. Now, let me see if language will allow me to write this out without sounding bitchier than I actually am... In every OFCC, there has always been no small number of people that seem to get rated way above or below their actual rating based on performance at the event. The reality is, the raters are always going to be going by instinct, because they can't possibly be able to see how each army will actually work on the table, based on the generalship of the player, and then apply it to a malleable "3" ideal, that changes from rater to rater. It isn't the raters fault, mind you, but it is fact. If the raters are trying to find instances of the list or some such each time to try and see if there are hidden gambits, or netsearching each list, that would be a lot of time and admirable effort, but they will still be doing it by feel, because it is not a hard cap at "3". This is a job - I understand that - but it will still be "this feels like a 3 to me", and move to the next one, and when it is done, it is gone with the OFCC's completion. I, on the other hand, am going to be buying, modelling, painting, playing, and showing off an army that I would at least like to seem competent with, and will likely have for the rest of my life, because I don't generally sell models I have worked on. I would like to have enough time to make sure it is what I want to play, want to spend the my hard-earned cash on, and enjoy showing off. I am making an investment, and not a small one. The only comparison I can think of that even makes sense might be that this is comparing the HR Director going through resumes from a temp agency to make sure they are qualified for the warehouse versus the race car team mechanic hoping he has enough time to put the car engine together correctly, because he'll be driving it soon, and then storing it in his garage. Am I oversimplifying it? Maybe. But that is why I am reacting (probably over-reacting) like this.

I don't live WH, so you have given me 3-6 games to build a list that I will be forced to stick with 12-16 weeks in the future, instead of the opposite. If you can't look over 100 lists that have already been vetted in a month, don't volunteer to look them over (and one of my regular opponents is a rater, so don't play that card). And if you have anything going on right now (I have another convention Memorial Day weekend I am running several games at as a historical gamer, one of our Captains is moving, and another player just had his second child), it is too damned soon for something this far away. I understand the Devils Advocate side - I have a degree in Ethics, so I have argued both sides before - but this seems decided by people who don't grasp there might be disagreement. Instead of taking a couple months to make a list I like and use it, I have couple weeks to make a list and hope I can find a way to make it work before the actual event - and somehow hope it fits within a rating structure that is utterly without guidelines other than some vague 'pornography' stylings (The "I know it when I see it" quote). It feels like a way to cut down on who shows up, not a way to make it fun for everyone, which is what originally brought me to the OFCC.

My post does not change in tone - July, August, most of September. 3 months. Too soon. Murphy's Lawyer (sorry, don't actually know who you are) mentioned 10 minutes bam to change your army when there was a conflict, but you completely missed the comparison - one thoroughly modeled army and another who didn't own or was not able to afford another - with your 'bam - 10 minutes and done' response. Did you read the concern in the message? While I myself own probably 7 or 8 separate armies, this can be a real issue - it has taken me 22 years and 6 editions. And I flit from project to project often enough, that 3 months is ridiculous amount of time to be tied to a project. What if I find another way to add a unit I couldn't find a way to model before - and don't like the official models - for in 2 months? You're telling me I'm stuck because you wanted lots of time to check they followed your comp rules?

Over 3 months before the actual event? What the $h*t? When did a fun event become a high-pressure 'do it now!' instead of a mellow 'hey, I think I'll bring this this year' event? If you don't live the game, but have to work games in maybe once a week at most, this isn't time to playtest a list, or even decide which army you want to play. First you comp it harder than I have seen in 7 years, and now you tell me I have to know exactly what I am doing over 3 months before I'll even be able to go? Are you trying to make people stay away? This is a hobby for fun, not a job interview, for f*ck sake.

I think what no small amount of you may be overlooking is that comp based the newest 'deadly combo' can sometimes inadvertently quash a modeler's 'this will be neat' army, even if it does have huge holes in its comp, but just happened to have some parts that have comped into submission. Say someone wanted to bring an all-savage/barbarian O&G army? Nope, Interweb lists have spammed the one big unit of Savage Boyz, so your shamelessly modeled Native American Savage Orc/ Forest Goblin army is now null and void for the fun event you wanted to show it off at, as is the monster heavy Dark Elf army, with little to no static resolution that never wins, but looks spectacular. That limiting the modeler's imagination by forcing them away from units that lend themselves to conversion and such, to me, is against the spirit of the event that I have made no small effort to attend for the last 7 years (I missed one when I was unemployed). Same reason I disagree with ruling that everyone on a team has to have a different army - restricting for no good reason that I can see. You have a Captain with 4 armies to look at - I bet he can handle it. Feel free to disagree with me - I don't mind. But remember that some of us that use this event as our main Warhammer event each year because it is a good group of intelligent players may not have the time to go running over to WOW or become a Senator, and sometimes not the money to choose different armies than we have without straining resources, but we are just as invested - only not as loud. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be heard - or get shouted down. (You know who I am talking to - yes, you.)

I am underwhelmed. I see comp for one side based on what other armies may bring, and then those 'other' armies get comped, because the original army can't have what is the obvious foil due to comp, such as monsters versus cannon. I'd rather see less comp, and more trust in players and their captains.

Where are you at? I wouldn't mind taking that Juggernaut off your hands for $5.