jollyork Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I was in the "it would make no sense if an HQ could not pass Infiltrate to a unit for deployment" camp, but after reading a lot of opinions and other similar rule situations, I think it's very intentional for HQs to *not* be able to let a unit deploy with it. It appears to be a line in the sand along with no one being able to Assault out of Deep Strike (except for a 4th Edition Ork character). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Given that Preferred Enemy, Zealot, Tank Hunter, Monster Hunter, Stealth, Shrouded, and a number of other rules all pass to the unit, I don't think it's particularly strange that Infiltrate would. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 "Hey guys, follow me in. Be very quiet." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyork Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Given that Preferred Enemy, Zealot, Tank Hunter, Monster Hunter, Stealth, Shrouded, and a number of other rules all pass to the unit, I don't think it's particularly strange that Infiltrate would. I don't think the argument has ever been whether it passes to the unit or not, as clearly it does. The sticking point is the order of operations during game setup, but you already know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 That's kinda what I'm getting at JO. Cypher has updated rules for Infiltrate, but it is STILL Infiltrate. It specifically states that he confers it to the unit in a fashion that allows him AND the unit to Infiltrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Could someone copy/paste the exact wording from the iBook version please. I'd like to see how they changed it, since it's exactly the same as the Main Rulebook in the .epub/.mobi version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I'm picking it up for my iPad on Friday. I'll post it then, if no one posts prior. I did some looking online, but I haven't been able to find a quote, just people arguing the same ol'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I don't think the argument has ever been whether it passes to the unit or not, as clearly it does. The sticking point is the order of operations during game setup, but you already know that. Infiltrate also grants The ability to outflank. That was what I always thought the reason for the sharing was. Outflank really is the follow me you loud idiots! The character uses their skills and the sound of the battle to cover an approach from an unseen avenue. The infiltrate usr is just a little more flexible than outflank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyork Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Yeah, that's a great description, VonVilkee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psilence Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Apparently I was suffering from lazy gamer syndrome :p after breaking out a hard copy of the BBB The infiltrate and IC usr's in the I- version are exactly the same, word for word. The sentence that threw me for a loop was the 'An IC without infiltrate cannot join a unit of infiltrators during deployment.' By that wording an IC with infiltrate 'can' join a unit of infiltrators in the deployment phase. I guess the argument (and it's an old one) comes down to the wording in the IC's deployment options under joining and leaving a unit. /shrug I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll keep my opinion to myself :) Back to Mystery Marine, having had a chance to read all of cyphers book I'm really liking the missions in the back. They set up some good story lines and give a break to the standard ones we always play. Gonna have to go dig through my old bits box and see if I still have him :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 lol And....Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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