JamesBeadle Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 40K is moving into making FW models standard in play. Is that the same with WHFB? I own four Rhinox riders, will I get to play them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yeah they are called counts as mournfang cavalry. WHFB is not the same as 40k, usually ts event specific orask opponents ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yep... They changed the mounts with the new book, I believe they are all on 50x100. I'm with herozero the would just "count as". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well thats better than being told that I can't ever use the models. Though I would like to see them in action some day as actual Rhinox riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgreDan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The OFCC rules pack at the top of this forum lists them as legal units. They seem to have a reputation of being pretty brutal, so if the opponent would prefer (outside of the event obviously) I would probably use them as Mournfang stand-ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 James, you may use them whenever you want. They are 100% welcome in the Ordo Fanaticus Fantasy Open if you want to run your Ogres with them then. Otherwise in normal gameplay who cares? Bring them and if your opponent is going to cry about it then have them counts as Mournfang and remember them for being sissies. This entire mindset that Forge World not being allowed is just stupid, but that is a rant for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well, as I recall, the Forgeworld rules weren't particularilly well written or balanced. And since they're not readily available, I could see a tournament goer feeling blindsided or having to rely entirely on blind faith that their opponent it reading / interpreting / playing the rules correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I would say that as along as you provided a copy of the rules for the units to give to your opponent, they should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well, as I recall, the Forgeworld rules weren't particularilly well written or balanced. And since they're not readily available, I could see a tournament goer feeling blindsided or having to rely entirely on blind faith that their opponent it reading / interpreting / playing the rules correctly. Neither are the Regular rules anymore! Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Seems to me they are fairly straightforward. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/r/Rhinox.pdf Insofar that they are too tough, I simply wouldn't know. I've not played WHFB8 save for one quick game in which I was mercilessly crushed by Raindog's dwarves. I am going to get a rematch! I have an Empire Horde growing. http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/nidsexpo/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/IMG_20140223_194331.jpg I also have Skaven, and an incoming OK army from Austria, and a smallish contigent of Tomb King mercenaries. I've been trading off my unused Warmachine/Hordes for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 1+ armored ten str 5 attacks a piece, d3+1 impact hits and stubborn Mon cav for under 120 each.... Seems totally reasonable /eyeroll James frankly the are very powerful, expensive units that are a must deal with unit. If you enjoy a gigantic hammer unit style of play go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Don't forget they still get the Ogre ability to parry while mounted. I think most people are put off of them because, for 45 points, you get +1 WS (rider), Str (rider), T, W, A (rider), Ld, Impact Hits, and AS not to mention a Best-Of list of USR's. That's a little much to swallow when such a clear alternative is offered with the Mournfang. That said, anything putting people off from using Jervis pompous-as-hell Johnson's units is alright in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Really I just like the models. If they are so unreasonable, using them as mournfang is just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I guess I don't know how to read it properly. I see eight attacks, nine with an extra weapon at st 5, half the attacks at WS 3. Ogres wear light armor so they are 2+ save (which is still good), and you can give them a magic standard, which makes sense all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 OIC, you can upgrade them to heavy armor. I wouldn't do that because the models don't reflect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 9 attacks base with age, ten with thunderlord upgrade. It's pretty rough. Much like any experimental rules unit...but I digress. It's a unit for 500 ish points can generate 4d3+4 impact hits and 40 attacks+ stomps. That is a lot of ass whoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremmet Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 They also have Frenzy so that's ten attacks each with four at strength five. Add that to the impact hits plus stomps and that's pretty deadly for a 1+ AS (with Parry), Stubborn, T 5, W4 Monstrous Cav model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBeadle Posted February 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Well ok. I guess it sounds like the rules are too much for them. Maybe I will just hold off and use them when an opponent doesn't care, or maybe agree to pay more for them. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 They make really cool mournfang counts as models. I would run them as that, would be a great way to seperate your army from the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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