Munkie Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, MexicanNinja said: Ignoring the entire rules for all types of cover? As for the points increase. Every vehicle essentially got "power of the machine spirit". Yes, i know that rule is gone but that's basically the upgrade every vehicle has. Ignoring the bonuses to a unit's save for being in cover. 2 str 8 AP -3, 3 damage; 2 str 8, AP -4, D6 damage The Crimson Hunter got the power of the machine spirit boost that many aircraft got. However aircraft that already had assault weapons (like the Voidraven) didn't receive a benefit, but their points went up by the same amount anyway. It's basically a free upgrade that some vehicles got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Ironically, the recent FAQs officially removed “Power of the Machine Spirit” from the various Imperial vehicles that had that special rule as it was now redundant. Fair enough. The funny thing is that an Adeptus Custodes stratagem from War of the Spider, Vengeance of the Machine Spirit, was directly keyed to working “when an ADEPTUS CUSTODES VEHICLE model from your army with the Power of the Machine Spirit ability is destroyed.” Oh, Gee Dubya... Sometimes it’s adorable how bad your editorial staff is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ish said: Oh, Gee Dubya... Sometimes it’s adorable how bad your editorial staff is. Tell me about it. The Drukhari FAQ clarifies that Fire and Fade is used after an Asuryani unit shoots. We lost one of our best stratagems because GW got too excited with Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 In that case, at least, I think everyone will agree that it’s supposed to say Drew Carey Drukhari. Y’know, since it’s their codex, their stratagem, and their errata... So anyone but the most stubborn of r/WarhammerCompetitive That Guy’s is probably going to let it work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Yeah I'm not worried about it being an issue on the table. Just a gee wiz, gee dub moment that made me chuckle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 It’s a definite Bless Your Heart moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Munkie said: Ignoring the bonuses to a unit's save for being in cover. 2 str 8 AP -3, 3 damage; 2 str 8, AP -4, D6 damage The Crimson Hunter got the power of the machine spirit boost that many aircraft got. However aircraft that already had assault weapons (like the Voidraven) didn't receive a benefit, but their points went up by the same amount anyway. It's basically a free upgrade that some vehicles got. Correct me if I'm incorrect but not all cover is a bonus to saves, correct? Some terrain is just modifiers to hit, from what I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted July 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, MexicanNinja said: Correct me if I'm incorrect but not all cover is a bonus to saves, correct? Some terrain is just modifiers to hit, from what I've read. Correct. Some cover is harder to hit, can't see at all or a +1 to armor save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Lyraeus said: Correct. Some cover is harder to hit, can't see at all or a +1 to armor save Thank you for confirming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Yep, and Masterful Shots (the custom craftworld attribute to which I'm alluding) strictly ignores the bonus to saves that cover grants. So being in dense terrain like woods would still give a unit -1 to hit. It would then be hitting on 3+, re-rolling 1s. It will almost certainly be packing Expert Crafters as well (re-roll 1 hit and 1 wound per unit) for ultimate efficiency. So in woods, hitting on 3s, re-rolling all 1s and a single 2. Then wounding with str 8 with one re-roll there too. This was exactly how efficient it was last edition, back when having heavy weapons impacted it, and it was a cornerstone of competitive Eldar lists. Now that they're even better than they were and the cost increase was moderate, you can be sure they'll be even more rampant now. Unless the meta just swings wildly against aircraft in general, which is always a possibility. Brand new edition and all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 I dont see Aircraft being huge currently. Wraithguard with Shields are definitely in though. Tough unit to shift off an objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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