InfestedKerrigan Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 FAQ coming lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 On a side note, Marines can get AP-2 with Intercessors with a Warlord with Storm of Fire nearby. Should roughly come out to the same price as rubriks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ish said: No you can’t. Rubric Marines have the faction keywords ‘Chaos, Tzeentch, Heretic Astartes, Thousand Sons.’ They do not have the < Legion > keyword. Also, they don't need legion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, InfestedKerrigan said: Also, they don't need legion No < Legion > keyword, no Legion Trait... Pax was specifically talking about giving them the Iron Warriors’ Legion Trait. But, as Pax points out, the Rubric Marines in Codex Chaos Space Marines have the < Legion > keyword (p. 133, I double checked myself) whereas the Rubric Marines in Codex Thousand Sons do not have the < Legion > keyword. This seems like 🐮 to me, like running Ultramarines Wulfen or something, but it’s apparently completely kosher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ish said: That’s some 🐄 💩 right there that is. Not really. The imperium has chaos far outgunned. Just about everything chaos does, imperium can do better and in a more evil way. Deathwatch already has "special" ammo to boost their intercessor Bolt Rifles to -3 ap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Oops, missed that aspect. Mah bahd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ish said: But, as Pax points out, the Rubric Marines in Codex Chaos Space Marines have the < Legion > keyword (p. 133, I double checked myself) whereas the Rubric Marines in Codex Thousand Sons do not have the < Legion > keyword. This seems like 🐮 to me, like running Ultramarines Wulfen or something, but it’s apparently completely kosher. It is the first CSM codex to feature the "cult" troops with generic legion options. Berserkers, noise marines, and plague marines all have the <Legion> keyword and are elites (or troops if you are World Eaters or Emperor's Children). It is notable that the deity keyword (Tzeentch) on the rubric marines prevents them from being fielded with World Eaters or Emperor's Children (which are mono-deity legions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, paxmiles said: Not really. The imperium has chaos far outgunned. Just about everything chaos does, imperium can do better and in a more evil way. Deathwatch already has "special" ammo to boost their intercessor Bolt Rifles to -3 ap. I’m looking at it from a “fluff” perspective, not a mechanical one. I agree that vanilla Codex: Chaos Space Marines need a boost mechanically to make them competitive and live up to their “fluff” role as the Big Bad Evil Guys of the setting. (I say give’em all two Wounds, +1 Attack and +1 Leadership. Make their default kit a boltgun, bolt pistol, chainsword, and grenades. That’d make them more or less on par with Indomitus Crusaders Detachment Veteran Intercessors... and Chaos Space Marines have been doing their thing a heck of a lot longer.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ish said: No < Legion > keyword, no Legion Trait... Pax was specifically talking about giving them the Iron Warriors’ Legion Trait. But, as Pax points out, the Rubric Marines in Codex Chaos Space Marines have the < Legion > keyword (p. 133, I double checked myself) whereas the Rubric Marines in Codex Thousand Sons do not have the < Legion > keyword. This seems like 🐮 to me, like running Ultramarines Wulfen or something, but it’s apparently completely kosher. Nope, it's like Plague Marines. The Black Legion and other Legions have warriors of different aspects. In fsct most chaos sorcerers come from rubrik marines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: In fsct most chaos sorcerers come from rubrik marines They come from the Thousand Sons Legion, but are not Rubric Marines. All Rubric Marines are Thousand Sons, not all Thousand Sons are Rubric Marines. The “Rubric Marines” are the piles of dust in animated suits of armor. The unit is called “Rubric Marines,” but fluff-wise the Aspiring Sorcerer leading the squad is not a Rubric Marine. Also, Rubric and Rubik aren’t the same word. Just, FYI... Although the idea of evil undead super-soldier armor being piloted by a multicolored cube is amusing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ish said: I’m looking at it from a “fluff” perspective, not a mechanical one. I agree that vanilla Codex: Chaos Space Marines need a boost mechanically to make them competitive and live up to their “fluff” role as the Big Bad Evil Guys of the setting. Well, if you start reading between the lines of the fluff, the Imperium is the bad guys of the setting. They're the invaders that are attacking everyone else, typically for reasons of races alone, they practice genocide regularly, destroy planets, and so forth. Chaos isn't good guys either, but "big bad evil guys" of the setting is a title that only the imperium can claim. And, on top of that, CSM are an enemy that most people in the 40k universe can't distinguish from regular SM. 6 minutes ago, Ish said: They come from the Thousand Sons, not the Rubric Marines. The “Rubric Marines” are the piles of dust in animated suits of armor. The unit is called “Rubric Marines,” but fluff-wise the Aspiring Sorcerer leading the squad is not a Rubric Marine. Also, Rubric and Rubik aren’t the same word. Just, FYI... Although the idea of evil undead super-soldier armor being piloted by a multicolored cube is amusing. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/rubric#Alternative_forms He's using it right. And I'm pretty sure that GW has alternated between the spelling with a k or a c. You are correct that the rubric marine sorcerer is not techinically a rubric marine, but he is in that unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Well, if you start reading between the lines of the fluff, the Imperium is the bad guys of the setting. Everyone is the bad guy of the setting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelharis Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ish said: Everyone is the bad guy of the setting. Except the Tau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kelharis said: Except the Tau Mind control communists aren't bad? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 TAU is the only faction that cares about PR. But I agree, not good guys either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelharis Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, pretre said: Mind control communists aren't bad? 😉 That's just Imperium propaganda... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Ish said: Everyone is the bad guy of the setting. Orks aren't bad guys, just like lions aren't evil for killing zebras. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, fluger said: Orks aren't bad guys, just like lions aren't evil for killing zebras. Except Scar. He's the Evil lion.😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Rock Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, fluger said: Orks aren't bad guys, just like lions aren't evil for killing zebras. Orks are really the least evil faction of the setting. They just want to get drunk and party; they're a bunch of big, green frat boys. They're not *evil.* For that matter, neither are Tyranids, they're just really hangry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Ish said: They come from the Thousand Sons Legion, but are not Rubric Marines. All Rubric Marines are Thousand Sons, not all Thousand Sons are Rubric Marines. The “Rubric Marines” are the piles of dust in animated suits of armor. The unit is called “Rubric Marines,” but fluff-wise the Aspiring Sorcerer leading the squad is not a Rubric Marine. Also, Rubric and Rubik aren’t the same word. Just, FYI... Although the idea of evil undead super-soldier armor being piloted by a multicolored cube is amusing. I know, I am adding the k on purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Sgt. Rock said: Orks are really the least evil faction of the setting. They just want to get drunk and party; they're a bunch of big, green frat boys. They're not *evil.* For that matter, neither are Tyranids, they're just really hangry. If you start justifying it, you can find reasons that all the armies aren't evil. Maybe in the time of Horus the Rebel Alliance that is now the Chaos Space Marines, was an evil faction, but they're now they're just fighting for survival against the tyrannical Imperium which is an unforgiving faction that believes in racial superiority and doesn't accept freedom of religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Rock Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, paxmiles said: If you start justifying it, you can find reasons that all the armies aren't evil. Maybe in the time of Horus the Rebel Alliance that is now the Chaos Space Marines, was an evil faction, but they're now they're just fighting for survival against the tyrannical Imperium which is an unforgiving faction that believes in racial superiority and doesn't accept freedom of religion. While I really want to start justifying it, I'm not going to; I don't want to get into an hours-long debate on the politics and theology of a fictional universe that will keep me tied to my computer all day long. 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Sgt. Rock said: While I really want to start justifying it, I'm not going to; I don't want to get into an hours-long debate on the politics and theology of a fictional universe that will keep me tied to my computer all day long. 😛 Good call. I don't need that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Sgt. Rock said: Orks are really the least evil faction of the setting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, fluger said: We are simple. Give us a good krump, a bigga Choppa and a louda shoota or slugga and wez happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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