McNathanson Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Look it's a post with two topics: First! Here's something that I thought of today looking over our team's lists: we have almost all our lists sitting at the same ~14-16 comp range. This seems cool because we're all "friendly" list level, but I think it might make matching a little difficult if we run into a team with a 8, 12, 16, and 20 (for example). Are you other captains out there encouraging your teams to have a variety of comp scores? Or are ya'll just letting the chips fall and hoping we can make good matchups via captain matching? Second! Another (somewhat orthogonal) thought: I'm seeing a lot of "20" lists with big glaring weaknesses, and commentary that captain matching will protect those lists from being matched against their foil. The issue with that line of thinking is that the *reason* the list is a 20 is that it has glaring weaknesses. If captain matching protects it from those matchups, then it is going to have an unfair VP advantage. E.G. Raindog's Slayer list, if it doesn't ever have to face Non Engagement, is much stronger than a 20... it shouldn't have a 300 VP advantage against a mostly-CC army that itself has paid the points for the tools to face Non Engage, and sits at 14 comp. Not at all picking on RD's list, just it provides a good example of a list that is very good *BUT* has a few armies that just beat it, so it's comped 20. Eh, not sure there's a good way to address this, except to make it clear that captains are under no obligation to agree to protect min/max lists from facing their foil. Does that make sense and do we agree? Talk amongst yourselves ;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godswearhats Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I thought pairing was done based on comp score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Pairing overall comp score in beginning then captain duel it out with lists I'm assuming like last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicFlava Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 As a captain i just told my players to make their lists themselves. If they give them to me with issues then i ask for modifications. As for comp levels my team is all in the 12-14 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicFlava Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 As for matchups. I am assuming comp value is a guideline and not a hard rule. Will try to avoid any RPS matchups but sometimes one team member has to get "thrown under the bus" so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Pairing overall comp score in beginning then captain duel it out with lists I'm assuming like last year. Right, I think current standing (tournament score) is fused with a team's total comp to create team vs. team matchups, and then captains try to create good games. Sylvos can correct me if I'm wrong here ;) I just want to make sure as ClassicFlava mentioned that Captains don't feel obligated to a) match via comp alone or b) cover up army weaknesses via matchup. I almost think matching by player record would be the best first-level matchup, with comp and army vs. army consideration as a next tier of consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 what are you guys talking about. I'm just making [big bad swear word] up as I go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 what are you guys talking about. I'm just making [big bad swear word] up as I go. I mean I totally have this very, very elaborate pairing matrix that pits team against team for the best possible match up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I mean I totally have this very, very elaborate pairing matrix that pits team against team for the best possible match up... HAHA EVERYBODY GETS PUDDING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 HAHA EVERYBODY GETS PUDDING! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra34 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Everyone get up, then quietly go for the door... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Or maybe expect a straight answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Or just kick him in his junk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvos Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 This is all explained in the Captain's Forum for WFB Team Event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 NTK, My team has a fast list, a fighty list, a magic list, and an all comer list. Each army has roll. Most of the armies can handle multiple styles. Match ups will be made by individual challenges, like match ups, and in the interest of fun. When in doubt, I will take a bad match-up for the sake of the team. Cheers, RD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 This is all explained in the Captain's Forum for WFB Team Event.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatdave Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Like Raindog's, my team consists of 'all-comers' lists - though mine are all soft lists (2x20, 19+ and 15+ SwedeComp). We are pretty light on magic (team total is 12-14 levels of magic) and very light on shooting. But we have decent speed in general and good fighting overall. And like RD there will be a number of factors involved in our pairings. Good games are the goal, however that might be achieved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Panic Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 all my teammates are bringing 13ish lists and im bringing a 19. we have some balanced lists and then there's my list lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoslayer Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 We are all going for a range of lists, we should have one 8, two 13's and an 18 to create variety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mekhet Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 [nevermind]As for my team, I just gave everyone free reign to make a list they were comfortable with. I think we ended up with a decent range in the end. Giving people a target comp score is all well and good, but their actually having painted models on hand for that is a very different story. If I was asked to write a 16-comped list I don't think I would be able to do it without painting a couple hundred worth in new models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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