Brother Glacius

well the ET book does say: "you must use the unit profiles, points costs, equipment, options and special rules found in either VC or TK books" So that might open the door for the use of the magic items. The problem with that special rule for the chariots, is that it specifically states "tomb kings army" as opposed to a more general term.

Yes, and it states "in a tomb kings army" which the new undead army is not.

Yup :)

The End Times book states that you do not use the Army Special rules from the Vamp book or the TK book. I don't have the TK one, but if the chariot ability is in the army special rules, then it is lost in the new undead list.

The vamp doesn't have that rule, so don't think they would be allowed.

So looking at the rules for Make Way, they have to replace a rank and file model. Since there is no rank and file model in that location, they could not Make Way to it.

I think you played part A correctly. Part B though, I would say he could not. The reason why is that he isn't replacing a model to get into combat. In that case, he is adding a rank to the unit where there was none. You can't do that unless you combat reform. So basically, Make Way would not allow the rank to be added, but a combat reform would. In my opinion of course, I haven't looked at the rules yet. :)

I have to agree with rudra, there doesn't seem to be anything restricting the move.

So I've been reading up on the TK stuff, and I wanted to run this buy everyone. TK can now march if within 12" of the general. That is fairly clear. Now lets look at the signature spell for TK, Incantation of Desert Wind. It states: "targets can make a normal move as if in the Remaining Moves sub-phase." Well marching takes place in the remaining moves sub-phase. So does this spell now allow all undead units to march in the magic phase in addition to the move they could make in the normal phase (granted that they are withing 12" of the general)? Previously, this was prevented by the fact that TK could never march. But that is now gone. And of course, VC units can now benefit from these spells. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reading more into it. Or does the phrase "normal move" remove marching?

how the hell is this a solo unit challenge when you are using the benefits of the CoB and characters? really? you consider that a solo unit? Sorry, my BS monitor just went off the scale. How about you pick an actual solo unit and then do comparisons?

Anyone have the latest army book from TK that they don't want?

Blog updated. I gotta remember to start taking pics at the games. :)

I had just seen the small pics of them. WTF gw? I mean it is really nice that you produce those size models and only charge $11 a pop...but why the hell didn't you do that for the other armies? I just can't figure them out.

2pts actually

you got all the points! :)

how the hell do you get 31 points after one game??

OOoooooo you also forgot, 26. Get Brother G. to complain :)

Ummm this is just a 25mm base unit. 5 models for $55, no way they are anything bigger.

I'm going to try. Depends on life though. How about some stuff that only undead can do, since you have stuff that undead can't do. How about have a unit crumble away? Have an opponent fail a fear or terror test?

I think this is too big to simply be a "campaign". Let's face it though, warhammer has always been fluid with the time line. In many books, the SC's are already dead. I think this will become a permanent piece of wfb lore. End Times happened. You can play before or after, but it did happen. Now, as to the possibility of new combined books? I think so. I think GW wants to pair down the cycle of WFB. Combined books let them do that. 50% lords...I see that too as staying. Why? because it lets you bring the big toys. Will play styles eventually weed them out? I think so too. There is nothing from stopping you from having an event saying its 25% lords....but by GW opening that door officially, they let people plan new armies...and that means new figures...which translate into sales. Let the fans restrict or not restrict themselves...but by having it officially possible, then you give people a reason to buy more.

page 26. "During your Remaining Moves sub-phase, units that did not charge, flee, rally or compulsorily move this Movement phase, and which are not engaged in combat, can now move and perform maneuvers as described on page 13." Page 13. Maneuvers "There are two specific maneuvers that enable a unit to change direction or rearrange its ranks: wheel and reform." Did your hoppers move in the compulsory move phase? Yes. Therefore, they cannot move or perform maneuvers, ie wheel/reform in the remaining moves phase. So then what movement can they do in the compulsory move phase. As defined by Random Movement, they can pivot, and then move directly forward 3d6. Page 24: "the player has no control over the movement of such troops and so these are referred to as compulsory moves."

Some people just won't be convinced. That is a lovely super long post. Is there anywhere in the Random Movement rules that state that a unit can do anything else other than point the direction they wish to move (either by spinning in place, or pivot about the center in the case of a unit) and move directly forward the number rolled? You see, that rule clearly states the extent of the movement allowed. Further, the book says that movement maneuvers only take place in the Remaining Moves phase, the lone exception are the charge wheels..which are spelled out in the Charge section. Random Movement takes place in the Compulsory phase. At this point, if an opponent tries to do that against me, I will disagree. If they wish to continue with it, I will do die roll. I will seriously consider not playing against that opponent again.

Ive got one.

now see, I was going to say aliens....

I'll take that