Raindog Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 I decided to go for 10 Thunderers total, so I can have another full unit of them. I have painted up a metal Thunderer from 4th Ed, dressed in Empire style hat and shoes and another Battle for Skull Pass Thunderer. I have two left to go…... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I played my dwarfs against Shane's Daemons tonight. Shane took the chicken, a Daemonette herald, a Horror Herald, two pink horror spell batteries, daemonettes,two ambushing units of dogs, a skill cannon, and a unit of 3 toads. I had a Runey, a BsB, 24 Warriors, 20 Longbeards, 20 Hammerers, 2 units of 10 Thunderers, a flame cannon, a cannon, and two gyros. We played the GN's meeting engagement scenario. He deployed first. The skull cannon blew up my cannon and spooked my Hammerers off the table on turn one. I started the game in a 420 point hole. The Thunderers are worthless at shooting. They cannot hit anything. Everything is a 5+ to hit. Combatwise, they are fine. The Khorne dogs bounced off one unit. The remnants were charged in the rear by another unit of dogs. The Thunderers held and popped them into two rounds of combat. The other unit held against the toads for six turns of combat before dying - Not bad. The Gyrocopters blasted away the horrors until they were too weak to do much. The chicken and Daemonettes ground down the warriors and heroes. The flame cannon was okay, but the rune of forging saved my butt three times.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 On the model front, I have 22 painted GW Thunderers, plus a painted full command, and two Scibor Thunderers. That is 27 painted Thunderers with 3 more on my painting table. I have also assembled two new Hammerers this week. The kit is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I finished another BfSP Thunderer tonight. That is 28 Thunderers. Why am I painting them, no clue. I miss when they were move and shoot. I should spend my time painting more useful like miners. Miners seem like a bargain. They are the same price as warriors with great weapons, but have the ambush rule for free. At this point, I am biding my time until the Wood Elf book comes out and I can process the new lists. With the new book, Dwarfs received a few nice boons. They do not flee and pursue at -1 inch. the have a strength bonus when they charge and a shield wall when charged. Thunderers and Quarrellers have heavy armor. There are cheaper Gyrocopters. Flame Cannons are now useful. Slayers and Iron Breakers are options. Hammerers have an extra attack. The issue is almost everything is more expensive. Add runes on banners and war machines and the points evaporate. There is not enough points to around, so the cool options and possibilities are limited at best. The army works well as a gunline, but I have to find a dynamic option. Dwarfs are great at being tough and hard to kill, but they don't cause many wounds in return....... I have yet to find a satisfying mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Raindog I feel your pain: it's true that everything is really expensive when "runed up" and yet the runes seem to be too good to pass up! Kind of a conundrum. But if I may (and of course you know Dwarves far better than I do!) here are some things I've learned that you might find useful… things I would encourage to you try, based on my experience playing you and Joel: 1) Rune of Slowness x1 on one hard unit, Rune of Slowness x2 on another… this rune is just the bomb. Most Dwarf units are hard enough that it takes a combo charge to break it down. Combo charges are terribly unreliable against Rune of Slowness. One failed charge can lead to you getting two units: the one that makes it in without support, and the one that failed its charge. This Rune leads to winning combats; Stubborn rune (which seems to be the other popular suggestion) leads to losing more slowly (but still losing), unless you have a lot of countercharge, which is hard when your units are so expensive and thus your unit count is low. 2) Min sized Miner units. These are, as far as I can tell, the most flexible, cost effective guys you can get, besides perhaps Gyrocopters (which I don't have a lot of experience with). Obviously they can go after enemy ranged units, but don't be afraid to deploy them normally if they are not needed for hunting shooters! Use them to gain deployment advantage by putting them out first, and as typical chaff units but much tougher in CC than most due to GWs. 3) You don't have to be a gunline, but you do have to keep your opponent honest. Your goal should be to have enough shooting in your own list that if your opponent tries to evade CC for most of the game, you can still win, but NOT so much that if your opponent chooses to enage in CC, they are blown off the table. You may wish you could do an all-CC style army but Dwarves are not just a M3, vs. M4 or M5… they are also lacking mounted units which means they're M3 vs. M8/9/10! They just won't be able to maneuver with any but the slowest armies. That doesn't mean you can't have a very tactical army, but you have to shrink the table size, which means some shooting, and usually a denied flank for deployment. Anyway, everybody's an expert huh? ;) Hope you find something useful in there… let's play again soon!Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 With the new book, Dwarfs received a few nice boons. They do not flee... Didn't you just say your hammerers fled on turn 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 RD- I'd like to challenge you to play a list I build for you. Are you up to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 RD- I'd like to challenge you to play a list I build for you. Are you up to it? Sure. I will give it a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I will send it by PM to maintain the secrecy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I will send it by PM to maintain the secrecy. Oh c'mon just post it, I'm curious and what's the point of secrecy on an army list? For example here's the list we made for my brother's Dwarf army: (the letters, e.g. "Lord (A)", show which unit they are meant to run in) Dwarves 2797pts Lord (A) - GW, Shieldbearers, Magnificent Armour of Borek Bettlebrow Lord (B) - Great Weapon, Oath Stone, Fiery Ring of Thori, Runic Armor: Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Iron x2 Thane BSB © - Runic Weapon: Rune of Parrying, Runic Armour: Rune of Stone, Rune of Iron x2 Runesmith (A) - Shield, Runic Armour: Rune of Stone 5, Runic Talisman: Rune of Spellbreaking x1 Runesmith (B) - Shield, Runic Armour: Rune of Stone 5, Runic Talisman: Rune of the Furnace + Rune of Spellbreaking x1 29 Longbeards © - Great Weapons, Full Command 10 Quarrellers, Great Weapons, Musician 10 Thunderers, Musician 17 Ironbreakers (A) - Full Command, Runic Standard: Rune of Slowness x2 18 Ironbreakers (B) - Full Command, Runic Standard: Rune of Slowness x1 10 Miners - Musician Cannon, Rune of Forging Grudge Thrower, Rune of Accuracy + Rune of Penetrating x1 Organ Gun, Rune of Accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Naughty boy. Can't post individual point totals like that or GW will flip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Oops! I'll edit, thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I shifted. Despite having three more BfSP Thunderers on my painting table and seven more primed and ready to paint in the basement, on Monday, I went into my stores and looked around. I had six or more BfSP miners ready to paint. I pulled them out and brought them up to my table. I slopped a layer mix of black ink, wash and paint over the models so they would be ready for me to work on later. On Tuesday, I painted the cobblestone tops of the six miners and a thunderer. I only paint from around two twenty to three fifteen AM during the week days. My goal for today is to paint the sides of the bases bestial brown. Then, I will start on the boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Bestial Brown is done. I painted the first miner, a unit champion holding a lantern. I have several staged up paint. My goal is to have 30 RnF painted. I know I have at least 20 painted over the last 11 years, but I will have to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Tonight's List! Runey, GW, Stone, Breaking. 96BsB, GW, Gromril. Furnace 13124 Warriors, S, SB, M. 23620 Longbeards , S, SB, M. 28010 Miners, 100 10 Miners, 10010 Miners. 10010 Slayers. 120 10 Slayers. 120 10 Slayers. 120Gyrocopter. 80Gyrocopter. 80 Organ Gun, Accuracy. 145Cannon. Burning. 125Flame Cannon. Forging. 165 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Aww, you didn't bring the framework I sent you. I am disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Aww, you didn't bring the framework I sent you. I am disappointed. I was saving that for NtK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I played two games tonight with the same list. In the first, I played Rudra's Herdstone list. I went out and fought him after a few shots. I lost miserably. In the second game, I hid against Murphy's double bus Empire list. I shot him until he was feeble and only then engaged. It worked. It always works. It is sad. Dwarfs do not have the reach with anything but big guns to attack. The slayer units of 10 were nifty, but there power is in them dying and attacking back. I am seriously considering units of 15 or 20 and filling up the majority of my specials with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yes Slayers are the new black. They are so anti-everyone that they are approaching auto include. Always multiples of 7 btw. 7 wide abuses common cav/Mon cav unit size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra34 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yeah, if you had gotten that charge with the last unit of slayers then you would have decimated the last of my bestigors. Those are some effective, orange-haired bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I counted today. I have 27 RnF Miners, a Standard and a Musician. I am still painting more Dwarves tonight, so I can have 30 RnF Miners, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Two more down. I painted up another BfSP Miner. I went a little wild on the beard with a new blonde color scheme. Then, I found another model in the basement. It was a painted Miner veteran, although a rarer alternative than the standard vet. I touched up the model and washed it. He is ready to go. Now, I need just one more Miner to have my 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I was counting my painted Dwarf Infantry Models as I was putting them away today: Core: 25 LongBeards w/ HW and Shield 26 Warriors + SB and M. 4 Warriors w/ Great Weapon 25 Warriors 6th Ed Plastics - HW and Shields + SB, and M. 22 Thunderers + Full Command 13 Quarrellers + SB Special: 18 Iron Breakers + SB and M. 31 Miners + SB and M. 42 Slayers + SB, M. 39 Hammerers + 2 SB and M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoslayer Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Nice collection! I love me some dwarves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted May 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 The 30 Miner is done. I have several Dwarf models are on my painting table: two Thunderers, partially painted, and four more miners including a standard bearer all in various levels of painting. One Miner is 1/2 done. I am tempted to finish at least the miner before I switch to Wood Elves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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