Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord Hanaur said: Yup. Dajump will bone you on abilities. Only by LVO rulings which is not an ITC thing. Since the specific ruling is stratagem only its up to the TO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Sure. Stratagems is pretyy specific so mayhap you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Sure. Stratagems is pretyy specific so mayhap you're right. Yup. They didn't clarify psychic powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Lyraeus said: Yup. They didn't clarify psychic powers They did specify removed from table being the keyword. And Da Jump removes you from table. Ability vs psychic doesn't seem to be the key imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Lyraeus said: Yup. They didn't clarify psychic powers RAW vs RAI.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, paxmiles said: RAW vs RAI.... Well, it is the BRB faq and its not new. The Necron faq doesn't cover it either right? Or the Grey Knights with Gate of Infinity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Dark Trainer said: They did specify removed from table being the keyword. And Da Jump removes you from table. Ability vs psychic doesn't seem to be the key imo. The part there is if a Stratagem removes a unit they lose persistent effects. Not if it's removed by X or Y method but with a Stratagem. So Unstoppable Green Tide for Orks. Thankfully things like Skarboyz and 'ardboyz are a change in unit type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Lyraeus said: Well, it is the BRB faq and its not new. The Necron faq doesn't cover it either right? Or the Grey Knights with Gate of Infinity I wasn't proposing that a solution existed. I just mean that you are debating RAW versus RAI, which is kinda the classic GW rules FAQ problem. If the intention was clear rules, the FAQ could include a line which clarified GW's stance regarding other forms of teleportation. Because they didn't cover it directly, the intent is left ambigious. You are correct in that the RAW is clear that stratagems resolve one way. The RAI is not clear regarding non-stratagems because prior to the FAQ, it was the same question regarding stratagems, abilities and psychic powers. They answered the question in a way that created more questions, rather than putting it to rest. This is classic GW - they indicate by their FAQ that they don't fully understand the question. On a similar note, that teleporting ork go-kart does something like this without psychic powers or stratagems. Even if they fix the psychic powers, this probably won't be resolved... Anyway, I'm not opposed to your stances. Was just mentioning it because, in the past, I've gotten in stupid-long debates regarding RAI vs RAW and I try to avoid them now. I'd suggest that for you too, but only a suggestion. RAW vs RAI debates just don't really go anywhere and ultimately GW will either fix the FAQ or they won't. And for your games, you can always just clarify the rule with your opponent at the start of the game, it's not really a problem so long as both players understand how it's going to be played before the game starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 You helped me find what i needed. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 45 minutes ago, paxmiles said: I wasn't proposing that a solution existed. I just mean that you are debating RAW versus RAI, which is kinda the classic GW rules FAQ problem. If the intention was clear rules, the FAQ could include a line which clarified GW's stance regarding other forms of teleportation. Because they didn't cover it directly, the intent is left ambigious. You are correct in that the RAW is clear that stratagems resolve one way. The RAI is not clear regarding non-stratagems because prior to the FAQ, it was the same question regarding stratagems, abilities and psychic powers. They answered the question in a way that created more questions, rather than putting it to rest. This is classic GW - they indicate by their FAQ that they don't fully understand the question. On a similar note, that teleporting ork go-kart does something like this without psychic powers or stratagems. Even if they fix the psychic powers, this probably won't be resolved... Anyway, I'm not opposed to your stances. Was just mentioning it because, in the past, I've gotten in stupid-long debates regarding RAI vs RAW and I try to avoid them now. I'd suggest that for you too, but only a suggestion. RAW vs RAI debates just don't really go anywhere and ultimately GW will either fix the FAQ or they won't. And for your games, you can always just clarify the rule with your opponent at the start of the game, it's not really a problem so long as both players understand how it's going to be played before the game starts. I pointed out rules as intended as well because there are now 3 codex's with this sort of situation that make no specific mention of how if will affect them if they do a psychic move. 4 actually if you count Deathwatch Teleport Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Alright, getting back to the topic on hand, I will be playing my first test game using ork models next week with @Salty Monkey. It will be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Well this is the fault of Sean Morgan also known as Abused Puppy around places but I have a tounge in cheek slogan for my Deffwotch In shiniest day, in blacker night, no Xeno will miss my sight, let dem who worship Xeno's might, beware my powa... Da Emprah's light! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Ave Dominus Nox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted March 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 Played @Dark Trainer tonight with a version of this list sans Krusader and it went well. The crazy level of firepower.... No wonder @Jason loves guard. The Kadian Grots were huge in just pushing damage with first rank and second rank against necrons. Who cares if I wound on 5's roll 36 dice and see what sticks... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 “Quantity has a quality of its own” -the emperor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Lyraeus said: Played @Dark Trainer tonight with a version of this list sans Krusader and it went well. The crazy level of firepower.... No wonder @Jason loves guard. The Kadian Grots were huge in just pushing damage with first rank and second rank against necrons. Who cares if I wound on 5's roll 36 dice and see what sticks... Thanks for the game. Some brutality for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted March 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Jason said: “Quantity has a quality of its own” -the emperor I got to use 2 Wyverns with the Emperor's Wraths Artillery and that 6 to wound increase to ap was pretty good. I didn't get to use suppressing fire but that 4d6 was no joke and I only used 6ish CP all game... It was fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: I got to use 2 Wyverns with the Emperor's Wraths Artillery and that 6 to wound increase to ap was pretty good. I didn't get to use suppressing fire but that 4d6 was no joke and I only used 6ish CP all game... It was fun. Wyverns are a very cool weapon system. Aesthetically pleasing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted March 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Wyverns are a very cool weapon system. Aesthetically pleasing as well. I can't wait to orkify them... Heh... Heh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Lyraeus said: I can't wait to orkify them... Heh... Heh Nor can we. Pics or it didnt happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 I have figured out how I want to set up my display board for the most part. I am going to have the Deffwotch and Kadian Grots coming out of a downed Kruiser with the Krusader Knight in the back This is a 3d print I will enjoy making. These are tall.... Real tall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted March 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 Setting up the Deffwotch at work. Got the base 20 done. I need to get the bikers set up, the Termies will happen later with a nob kit or the Ambot Kit... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lyraeus Posted March 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, WestRider said: This makes me smile.... Similar to this but a bit more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 I thought that might be appreciated here 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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