Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, paxmiles said: Yes, but it's S9, so it's basically a lascannon. Better AP, slightly less total range, and that melta damage roll within half range, but against most targets it's indistinguishable from a lascannon. 54 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Yeah so re-rolling damage is a huge feature. It matters. It's D6 Lascannon shots though I am looking at the RFBC but it's another 26 point change so points... All the points. Could fit it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: Depends really. Some people like being known as ruthless. I am not. I am more Efficient than ruthless Perhaps you are comparing "ruthless efficiency" to "efficiency?" Ruthless just means without pity. Does your army show pity the opposing army? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Boom fluff is updated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Perhaps you are comparing "ruthless efficiency" to "efficiency?" Ruthless just means without pity. Does your army show pity the opposing army? Sure. I don't take every top meta thing out there. No 25 lootas, no evil sunz, no 150 boyz. Definitely not ruthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, paxmiles said: They don't re-roll damage. 2 dice, pick the highest, which is better anyway. That said, doesn't increase the min or max damage in the slightest. So it's only better in terms of averages. And most targets worth shooting will have invulnerable saves, or hit penalties, or ignores damage abilities. With 2x thermal cannons, I have ~7 shots per turn for 500pts. Even with ideal conditions, it's still only ~4 hits and ~3 wounds on most targets worth shooting. And in ideal conditions target's worth shooting will only have a 5++, so 2 wounds. Damage output is about 7 per turn, which is crap for the points invested. Mine has 2x thermal cannons because I think they look really cool. My meaning was clear, but sure. Better than re-rolling. I think that weapon is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: My meaning was clear, but sure. Better than re-rolling. I think that weapon is awesome. I think you guys missed the Krast Heirloom... It add +1 to damage if the target has over 10 wounds and +2 damage if it's Titanic. So against a knight is D6+2 damage at half range you get the Melta rule It also makes the Avenger Gatling is now a S6 AP-2 Dmg 4 against other Knights. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: I think you guys missed the Krast Heirloom... It add +1 to damage if the target has over 10 wounds and +2 damage if it's Titanic. So against a knight is D6+2 damage at half range you get the Melta rule It also makes the Avenger Gatling is now a S6 AP-2 Dmg 4 against other Knights. Yaya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: Yaya! Heh... Heh... DMG 3 Heavy Stubber and Heavy Flamer for kicks 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor66 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 You might be better off buying Grey Knight Strike Squads and giving them shields than buying Deathwatch Marines since every Grey Knight comes with a storm Bolter and you can get shields from anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 So... I might be pulling an audible on this plan because in my research I came across this nugget... https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deffwotch So now... The only think I can think of is an Ork count as Deathwatch army with Grot Kadian and an Ork Knight Krusader... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Paging @PourSpelur... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Lyraeus said: So... I might be pulling an audible on this plan because in my research I came across this nugget... https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deffwotch So now... The only think I can think of is an Ork count as Deathwatch army with Grot Kadian and an Ork Knight Krusader... I mean...I have SEEN a Gretcheny Space Marine army done. It was UltraMarines, had corrugated metal themed vehicles and all kinds of stuff. It was at OFCC a long long time ago. Same OFCC there was a BAD ASS Cog-themed awesome army that was i think Tzeentch. So so incredible i still wish I could find the damn pictures i took of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 12:57 PM, Lyraeus said: Depends really. Some people like being known as ruthless. I am not. I am more Efficient than ruthless shoot. Now you have me thinking. If you're efficient, and Paxmiles is an obliterating monster...what does that make me? Are there other options in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 12:57 PM, Lyraeus said: Depends really. Some people like being known as ruthless. I am not. I am more Efficient than ruthless dang internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: shoot. Now you have me thinking. If you're efficient, and Paxmiles is an obliterating monster...what does that make me? Are there other options in here? Pax is not an obliterating monster but we could call you George and tell you about the rabbits. We'll snotling in your case ^_~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: Pax is not an obliterating monster but we could call you George and tell you about the rabbits. We'll snotling in your case ^_~ hmm... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Now I just need someone willing to be a test subject for this army... Hmmmmm thankfully space marines are easy enough to proxy with just boyz, grots can be guard, and I have an Adeptus Titanicus Warlord for the knight... Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Lord Hanaur said: I mean...I have SEEN a Gretcheny Space Marine army done. It was UltraMarines, had corrugated metal themed vehicles and all kinds of stuff. It was at OFCC a long long time ago. Same OFCC there was a BAD ASS Cog-themed awesome army that was i think Tzeentch. So so incredible i still wish I could find the damn pictures i took of it. I think the Cog-themed one was by Devo. At least, he did one like that at one point that was awesome. We may be thinking of different Armies, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, fluger said: Paging @PourSpelur... DeffWotch you say? Hmm seems like the sophisticated choice a truly handsome gentleman may make. I really dug into doing them for this year's OFCC. Did a bunch of mock ups and testers if you're interested in some options I've tinkered with. Ultimately, I changed gears a bit. Doing an all Squigs, counts-as IG list this year. Love me some Orks. If you're interested in what I cobbled together hit me up in the PM's, be a pleasure to walk you through what I was happy with and what I wasn't. Couple "counts-as" tips from a dedicated "counts-as" guy. 1) Do it. Even if you only make a single test piece, you'll learn new stuff. B) Make a couple prototypes. Nothing like buying 30 CSM backpacks and realizing they're not what you wanted to throw a wet blanket on something you were excited to build. 2.1) KEEP IT SIMPLE. You spent 1 million hours on this, you know that the Nob with a harpoon has a meltagun and the Nob with the trebuchet on his back has the plasmagun. Your opponent does not. It may not be optimal for min/max purposes but it allows your opponent to join in on the fun without gotcha moments. My DeffWotch list had everyone with either Stormbolter and Stormshield or Thunderhammer in the infantry squads. Guy with six pistols strapped together and the door to a Rhino on his arm? Easy to tell what he's equipped with. Fore) Pay close attention to the outlines and sizes of original units. Spot on is best. A little bigger is ok as long as you don't take advantage of it. G.2) Do it! Be an ambassador to the sheer fantastic clusterfudge that is Ork Kultchur. Be fun to play against, be humble in loss and more-so in victory. Be awesome. I dare you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, PourSpelur said: DeffWotch you say? Hmm seems like the sophisticated choice a truly handsome gentleman may make. I really dug into doing them for this year's OFCC. Did a bunch of mock ups and testers if you're interested in some options I've tinkered with. Ultimately, I changed gears a bit. Doing an all Squigs, counts-as IG list this year. Love me some Orks. If you're interested in what I cobbled together hit me up in the PM's, be a pleasure to walk you through what I was happy with and what I wasn't. Couple "counts-as" tips from a dedicated "counts-as" guy. 1) Do it. Even if you only make a single test piece, you'll learn new stuff. B) Make a couple prototypes. Nothing like buying 30 CSM backpacks and realizing they're not what you wanted to throw a wet blanket on something you were excited to build. 2.1) KEEP IT SIMPLE. You spent 1 million hours on this, you know that the Nob with a harpoon has a meltagun and the Nob with the trebuchet on his back has the plasmagun. Your opponent does not. It may not be optimal for min/max purposes but it allows your opponent to join in on the fun without gotcha moments. My DeffWotch list had everyone with either Stormbolter and Stormshield or Thunderhammer in the infantry squads. Guy with six pistols strapped together and the door to a Rhino on his arm? Easy to tell what he's equipped with. Fore) Pay close attention to the outlines and sizes of original units. Spot on is best. A little bigger is ok as long as you don't take advantage of it. G.2) Do it! Be an ambassador to the sheer fantastic clusterfudge that is Ork Kultchur. Be fun to play against, be humble in loss and more-so in victory. Be awesome. I dare you. So I did some research on models to use and how to get the effect. The hardest is making the Grots look anything but Catachan though hollowing out some cadian helms with a dremal. Though if I don't mind never being on a GW Stream then these work. Well with some taller bases. For the Ork Knight Krusader Ork knights are commonish And someone did an a Ork Deffskulls Space Marine kunvershun So proof of concept is out there. They are not difficult and diverse enough to be simple an orky wysiwyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Well... I have a head for my Watch Master. Good Ole Maximini with the Ork Dredd head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dark Trainer Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 @Lyraeus, wondering about Da Jump & Warpath. Someone was making the argument that veil of darkness didn't work with 'my will be done' ability for necrons. Stating that because it was removed from the table upon returning lost its ability granted from the Lord. Two questions, Is this true? Second wouldn't that mean you can't warpath and then 'da jump' a unit as you'd lose that, unless you're within the 18" range the spell to cast 'after' da jumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dark Trainer said: @Lyraeus, wondering about Da Jump & Warpath. Someone was making the argument that veil of darkness didn't work with 'my will be done' ability for necrons. Stating that because it was removed from the table upon returning lost its ability granted from the Lord. Two questions, Is this true? Second wouldn't that mean you can't warpath and then 'da jump' a unit as you'd lose that, unless you're within the 18" range the spell to cast 'after' da jumping. The rule in question actually pertains to stratagems but LVO did have a ruling in play that also affected Da Jump. Be aware, officially, the Basic Rule Book FAQ specifies Stratagems. "Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)? A: No." It w o uld be REALLY bad for Orks to have Da Jump nullify abilities as it would remove things like 'Ard Boyz and such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: The rule in question actually pertains to stratagems but LVO did have a ruling in play that also affected Da Jump. Be aware, officially, the Basic Rule Book FAQ specifies Stratagems. "Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)? A: No." It w o uld be REALLY bad for Orks to have Da Jump nullify abilities as it would remove things like 'Ard Boyz and such Yup. Dajump will bone you on abilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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