KJTW Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How is predictors fighter and supporting attacks being ruled in OFCC? I would assume they get but as army book supersedes the BRB, but I want to know for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra34 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Predatory fighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Lizard men army special rule. There are mixed opinions online about models I. The 2 nd rank getting the extra extra atack that they can roll up. Different tournaments rule differently. I personally think they should, but whatever the event organizers rule is fine. I just want to know so lizard player can plan for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra34 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Oh no, I know what rule it is. I was just clarifying because the title of the thread and the first post both say "predictors fighter." I allow it to work for supporting attacks when I play against lizards, but I have no power here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 This is what happens when you post on forums past your bedtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkieft Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I say the lose all supporting attacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talapas Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Supporting attacks rule in the brb says that models in the second rank only ever get one attack. It even says that this overrules any special rule that may grant more than one attack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicFlava Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 everywhere i have played has the extra ranks using the rule. I personally think they should get it and i am playing beastmen for ofcc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJTW Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Supporting attacks rule in the brb says that models in the second rank only ever get one attack. It even says that this overrules any special rule that may grant more than one attack. Don't army books Clown the BRB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talapas Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Normally you are correct. But the wording of supporting attacks negates this as the predatory fighter rule doesn't specifically overrule the brb and supporting attacks uses the phrase "regardless of the source or rule" (paraphrasing as I don't have brb in front of me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veskit Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Heh you guys have just summed up the arguments on both sides there and show why an official ruling on this is needed... hopefully someone can pop in here and shed some light. I'll move the same question up to the ratings committee thread and see if I can get it sped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Normally you are correct. But the wording of supporting attacks negates this as the predatory fighter rule doesn't specifically overrule the brb and supporting attacks uses the phrase "regardless of the source or rule" (paraphrasing as I don't have brb in front of me). The only way to hold someone accountable to that rule would be by having your opponet role the first rank attacks seperately from ell the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myster2 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Veskit is 100% correct, both sides can be argued (and have been argued) since the book came out. Here is the summary, Side 1, Only the front rank gets PF - The BRB says that supporting attacks are always limited to 1 attack, therefore no additional attacks. Sorry, go eat a bloat toad. Side 2, The LM book says that PF "Grants an additional attack after a 6 is rolled." The LM Book does not limit this special attack in any way and clearly the book is intended to allow PF the extra attacks even for supporting attacks as it is a special attack outside of the normal combat restrictions. You eat the bloat toad buddy, extra wasabi. So now empirically what are we looking at, a lizardmen horde (10 wide) with sword and shield gets 40 attacks. 20 attacks are the front rank which on average roll 3.3 6's. So with rule 1, the Lizardmen horde gets 43.3 attacks. With rule 2, they 46.6 attacks. In the game we all know that 1/3 or more of that horde is probably dead before it gets to swing from whatever it is fighting which greatly reduces this number anyway. Lustria has a huge debate about it if anyone really wants to look into both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 sylvos created a page for these types of FAQ for the open. FYI. it's found on the ordo thread page. and he provided a ruling for this one already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 not sure if those ruling will apply to just the open or for the team event as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 I will allow the extra attack in the second rank as the OFCC HOG ruling…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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