Fixxer Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Whos the best? I like the mobility and armor of the HE. They also have the best monsters out of the bunch, both phoenix, ASF griffons, dragons are all awesome. HIgh magic is also incredibly good and is a perfect lore for what the army does. Core heavy cavalry that fight in 3 ranks couldnt be a better choice coupled with fast cav and archers. They get my vote. PS found a game today, sorry for the quick edit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Yes HE are great, and so are the WE, but what you don't see being played here in Portland is the DE beatsticks at their full potential. Warlock buses with Heroes and WE hordes with a CoB are so nasty the other elves would have issues countering them. As for the mages vs sorceress it is still up in the air with me. A Darkstar with dark magic can make any player curse with frustration as much as a mage in a Phoenix Guard bunker with the World Banner. Also wild riders are just OMG good, and I still need more games against them but I think the magic arrows are going to put the WE's in a good running too. So it is definitely not a High Elf win yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 I would go (in an uncomped environment) 1. Dark 2. High 3. Wood I would think they are all top 1/3 of all WHFB armies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 I'm going with Dark Elves. I have yet to face a HE army with my DE and be impressed with the HE performance. Heck, if I still played Empire I would care less about their monsters. DE have the best FC in the game right now, IMO, as a core choice. Murderous Prowess for the DE gives them the edge over the HE. Level on a DP with CoT is just amazing to watch in action. You just fly around and push purple suns through your opponents army and have phenomenal protection from enemy shooting and magic. Now, with HE and WE armies, this is the tricky part. Eric, I think WE and HE are on equal ground here. People just haven't figured out the WE yet. You can do some pretty crazy things with 2 level 4 WE casters (shadow and death). This is more so once you add the acron to the mix and start dancing a unit around the board dropping vortex's like it's hot. Only 1 unit in a HE army is nearly immune to magic. However, a horde of white lions doesn't move very easily when you pack a few characters in there (this takes 2 special characters). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Holy balls. That is a lot of acronyms. I am used to 40k ones but not so much with Fantasy. Care to clarify? Please? For the (me) noobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Holy balls. That is a lot of acronyms. I am used to 40k ones but not so much with Fantasy. Care to clarify? Please? For the (me) noobs? HE=High Elves DE=Dark Elves FC=Fast Cavarly (in this instance) DP=Dark Pegasus CoT=Cloak of Twilight WE=Wood Elves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 How to rank elves. Hmm. Maybe like this. 1. Not dwarfs 2. Not dwarfs 3. Not dwarfs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 How to rank elves. Hmm. Maybe like this. 1. Not dwarfs 2. Not dwarfs 3. Not dwarfs Honestly I think you got Not Dwarfs in the wrong spot. Switch #1 with #2 then go get yourself some elves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 How to rank elves. Hmm. Maybe like this. 1. Not dwarfs 2. Not dwarfs 3. Not dwarfs Nicely done here. I'm pretty sure there's a dwarf build out there that would wreck an elf army. Oh yeah, it's the same as the last book....10 war machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 So true on Dark Riders, they are the best fast cav in the game and as a core choice... yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 What makes Dark Riders better than other Core Fast Cav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Dark riders have access to a 4+ armor save while still retaining fast cav rules, they are M9, Repeater xbows, ASF, and Murderous prowess, pretty much perfect fast cav and all in the CORE section. Units of 10 are an investment point wise but when they are used correctly they cant be beat when compared to what else is available in that role. Glade riders Ambush now which is weird and unpredictable. Reavers dont have the armor and bows arent as good as XBOWs. The only upside to these guys is the ability to run them 2 wide and still get all the spear attacks on a charge (units of 5 or 6) and thats still MEH compared to rerolling 1s to wound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephren-Ka Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 In the couple of games I played (HE) against my opponents DE, it was pretty apparent that DE had the advantage. All the features that made HE something special, plus murderous prowess, plus eternal hatred against HE. Still entirely possible to outplay your opponent on your own merits and HE have some great options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I would go (in an uncomped environment) 1. Dark 2. High 3. Wood I would think they are all top 1/3 of all WHFB armies Really? It's very interesting to me how many different views there are on this, For me Darkies are a Top 3, HE are a middle of the pack and WE are in the bottom third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Really? It's very interesting to me how many different views there are on this, For me Darkies are a Top 3, HE are a middle of the pack and WE are in the bottom third. Give the Woodies sometime to have the players figure them out. So far the MSU WE's appear to be fantastic. They have several ways to deal with heavy armor and hordes, best of which is running circles around them, and their magic is on par with the other elves. Rank and File WE's will not fair as we as High Elves Rank and File but that's not how Wood Elves play. They may have the best shooting in the game and catching them on your terms is going to be hard. What are the Strengths and Weaknesses? Let's have a Wood Elf player answer that after they have had more than ten games in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Give the Woodies sometime to have the players figure them out. So far the MSU WE's appear to be fantastic. They have several ways to deal with heavy armor and hordes, best of which is running circles around them, and their magic is on par with the other elves. Rank and File WE's will not fair as we as High Elves Rank and File but that's not how Wood Elves play. They may have the best shooting in the game and catching them on your terms is going to be hard. What are the Strengths and Weaknesses? Let's have a Wood Elf player answer that after they have had more than ten games in. I find it rather odd that on one hand you say "wait" and then on the other go on about how good you think they are then step back again into wondering what the strength and weaknesses are. This is an incredibly jumbled thought. There are lot of really good WE players that have had more then ten games and things are shaking out nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 Really? It's very interesting to me how many different views there are on this, For me Darkies are a Top 3, HE are a middle of the pack and WE are in the bottom third. I don't think you have played the right people and lists….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I guess what I was saying was that everything I have experienced watching and played against points to a solid book, though not tilting toward OP like the DE. But I don't own the book and don't play them so my experience is from a DE prospective as an observer. So take some salt with my post. But those Wild Riders hit like a ton of bricks and they flank so easily. That is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 WE Filth goes like. L4 - Death, Moonstone, Mounted BSB, Mounted HoDA Waystalkers x2, One with Bow of Loren, one with Ruby Ring Minimum Core of Glade Guard with True Flight Arrows 3 Units of 5 Wild Riders Sisters Bus with Liche Bone Banner 3 War Hawk Riders (if you have points) 2 Units of 7 Waystalkers 2 Eagles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoslayer Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The new woodelfs are bad to the bone, but Dark and maybe High elfs edge them out a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myster2 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 It's also easier to comp HE's best unit (the frost phoenix). Rarely do I ever see anyone allow HE's to field two of these. In a truely uncomped environment I believe HE are very close to the top army, DE's being right there with them (unless they are fighting HE in which case they are a step above). A truely nasty HE list looks something like this IMO Lvl 4 Shadow, Book of Hoeth (please mindrazor please). Lvl 1 or 2 dispel caddy, High magic 2x5 reavers Block of seaguard or spearmen or archers whatever you like Horde of White Lions, 6+ ward from annointed whatever his name is (can also switch for phoenix guard i prefer the lions though), banner of the world dragon. (you can also salt with the ultimate chaff unit 5x swordmasters) 2 frost phoenix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 In a way all three elves share traits but play quite different. High Elves is a Rank and File army,their best builds need those big units to get the most out of their banners and ward saves. Dark Elves can play a mix of MMU and MSU relatively good but outside the CoB Horde Large Rank and File units are too cumbersome. Wood Elves are MSU all the way. They are swift and need to stay nimble. My 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't think you have played the right people and lists….. Is that your way of telling me I need to come paste you on the table? I'm well aware of the power list. And that's my point. WE have one power list. One. HE have twoish and DE can make at least 3 and probably more. The less variation, the more predictable, the easier to deal with and plan for before you ever hit the table. Remember that 20 question list about how are you going to deal with X? Catching WE was always on there. Now it's been ammended to catching WE without entirely relying on armour to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I have to disagree about the he build. I would rather go 40 white lions, special character chic with life and special character dude with the bolt thrower shot. With the WE, I wouldn't even waste my time or points on warhawk riders or 3 units of wild riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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