Brother Glacius Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 If the internet is any measure, I would say the sky is falling. But for myself, I haven't played in an official GW event in probably 20 years. I would expect any event that Ordo puts on would probably allow legacy armies as well. Why cut out a portion of the player population like that? Also, we don't even have the free lists yet...so no idea how competitive they are compared to the official lists. I also have faith that the community at large will fix the free lists if they are very lacking. They aren't official anyways and not allowed in events, so why not mess with them to make them better for the players? I think people just like to bitch, myself included...and I bitch at GW all the time. Hell, look at those prices for 15+ year old minis....sheesh. 🙂 But at least for the free armies, I'm going to hold off judgement until I see them, and how they stack up against official lists. If I can play my vampire counts and have a good chance of winning a game...that's all I care about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 I think it's hard to judge without seeing the "Legacy" army lists. Right now, for me I don't see a ton to get upset about because we haven't seen the lists. Other side of the coin, I have all "Legacy" army and I haven't seen anything about the lists, so there's not a ton for me (personal opinion) to be excited for yet. I think most people are worried that Legacy armies without "support" from GW will either enter the game in a really overpowered or underpowered state and won't receive any adjustments to compensate them one way or the other, and that it will rely on the community to police the game. GW has been known for this in the past, but since ToW is being done by the Specialist Games team and they have a really good track record with things like HH and MESBG, I think I would lean slightly towards optimistic on this one. Excited to see what the game is going to bring for us "Legacy" players though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Old codexes are cheap. I say just pick an edition and use those entries. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckman Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 I moved overseas for a while and downsized all my minis then. For me the legacy lists are more about playstyles that I like than about armies I already have. Further, I don't expext to do anything offical with GW which means I will focus on hobby and not lining their pockets for minis. We'll see what comes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer2 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 I think anyone crying about legacy armies should check their privilege. 😉 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 GW they will not allow them in their stores and events. But Legacy armies will get PDF and will be very playable as they have been play tested. I think this is mostly a internal thing with GW's 2 studios and branding maybe? I think most tournaments will allow PDF armies in the events, time will tell. Whatever the reason I welcome people to play their Legacy armies and 3d print armies to play. If you want to buy GW only stuff that's cool too, I just hope people understand we love rank and file games and Warhammer Fantasy Battle was big part of the fun. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I've got a dark elf army I'll never play. I should have sold it years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Sell it now, what do you want for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I've never played at a GW store or event and I've played a lot of WHFB tournaments. You're not missing anything with that restriction. Also, nice leak here of base sizes and some legacy armies included too. https://spikeybits.com/2024/01/warhammer-the-old-world-base-sizes-guide.html 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 Wait a minute..where did 30mm bases suddenly come from? I thought all infantry are now on 25x25 and cav are 25x50....so what is this new 30mm base they are talking about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 The new base sizes have been discussed on the old world developer blog. There are 3d printable tray to take 20mm to 25mm and 25mm to 30mm. Same for new cav bases. Each unit entry in the army list tell you the base size for the unit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Trainer Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 6 hours ago, Fixxer2 said: Sell it now, what do you want for it? Dunno, haven't priced it (just lazy and it's sitting there). That said it's Dark elves, about 2500pts painted, and I think another 500pts of various stuff. 2 hydras, 2 bolt throwers, lots of various troops, cauldron of blood, and lots more. One of these days i'll put it up on Rogue trader, just been lazy about posting it. 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxer2 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Dark Trainer said: Dunno, haven't priced it (just lazy and it's sitting there). That said it's Dark elves, about 2500pts painted, and I think another 500pts of various stuff. 2 hydras, 2 bolt throwers, lots of various troops, cauldron of blood, and lots more. One of these days i'll put it up on Rogue trader, just been lazy about posting it. 😁 Well, I'd be interested if you dont mind PMing me whenever you're ready to sell. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 I know I’m late to the discussion but my opinion is that it will help balance the game. The armies left out have had balance issues and focusing on half of the factions seems to be the sweet spot by what I’ve seen and read. I remember how my Orc and Gobbos struggled hard to get a win but my Dark Elves won me more often than not and just felt too powerful when I focused on a powerful list. of course we will have to play for a while before we see if this is true but I hope all factions are close to equal as they can get so everyone has fun at the table and doesn’t dread going up against a dreaded faction. We’ll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Old World core factions are: Empire of Man Orc & Goblin Tribes Dwarfen Mountain Holds Warriors of Chaos Kingdom of Bretonnia Beastmen Brayherds Wood Elf Realms Tomb Kings of Khemri High Elf Realms What About the Other Factions? Certain factions people remember from Warhammer Fantasy Battles are not part of the narrative we’re telling with The Old World, but will be provided with rules at the launch of the game. Dark Elves Skaven Vampire Counts Daemons of Chaos Ogre Kingdoms Lizardmen Chaos Dwarfs These legacy faction army lists will be made available for free as pdfs as a service to fans who have these classic armies on their shelf, so they can still bring them to battle for old times sake. We don’t plan to publish rules for Warhammer Age of Sigmar miniatures, except for those units that were part of the game and setting during the final edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles. So hopefully this means that the pdfs will at least let you play them. No new minis for sure, but it's not like it's "firstborn in 40k" or whatnot? Right? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 You will be able to play legacy factions with the PDF’s outside of GW sanctioned tournaments. And since I don’t know of a single one held in this part of the world it shouldn’t be an issue. (This isn’t the King’s country after all.) But new stuff and faction books will not be released. That said you should check with opponents to make sure they are cool with it out of curiosity. (Not that anyone would really say no.) But again that’s just from what I’ve been reading and seeing online. Tournament holders may have different views. But legacy players should be cool and realize those factions were considered top tier with some of the newest models. I mean Dark Elves, Ogres, Daemons of Chaos and the rest having a free PDF from the go will be at an advantage over everyone else. But new players won’t be able to get those armies now unless they want to pay an outrageous price. So this is for old players who kept their armies. It all sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 Dalmer, I have been looking around for the PDF’s but haven’t seen them released yet. When I see them I’ll post here with a link. Happy Gaming! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Murphy'sLawyer said: Dalmer, I have been looking around for the PDF’s but haven’t seen them released yet. When I see them I’ll post here with a link. Happy Gaming! Have not been released yet. Held up in shipping do to weather. HAHA But soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Murphy'sLawyer said: You will be able to play legacy factions with the PDF’s outside of GW sanctioned tournaments. And since I don’t know of a single one held in this part of the world it shouldn’t be an issue. (This isn’t the King’s country after all.) But new stuff and faction books will not be released. That said you should check with opponents to make sure they are cool with it out of curiosity. (Not that anyone would really say no.) But again that’s just from what I’ve been reading and seeing online. Tournament holders may have different views. But legacy players should be cool and realize those factions were considered top tier with some of the newest models. I mean Dark Elves, Ogres, Daemons of Chaos and the rest having a free PDF from the go will be at an advantage over everyone else. But new players won’t be able to get those armies now unless they want to pay an outrageous price. So this is for old players who kept their armies. It all sounds good to me. Most likely Tournaments (not GW) will allow PDF armies. But again we have to wait to see them. My understanding is they were test along side all the other armies in play test. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 20 hours ago, dalmer said: So hopefully this means that the pdfs will at least let you play them. No new minis for sure, but it's not like it's "firstborn in 40k" or whatnot? Right? As promised, the PDF’s are here. Why don’t you let us know what your thoughts are after reading them. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/22/old-world-almanack-download-the-legacy-pdfs-here/ Happy Gaming! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckman Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 I find it amusing that of the four armies I played only one made it to WTOW. I probably would not go back to Lizards even if they were present but I will miss Skaven and Chaos Dwarves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Glacius Posted January 23 Author Report Share Posted January 23 I think CD players should be pretty happy...they finally have a somewhat modern list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 I think OK look tough if played right. Their speed and attacks make them dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmer Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 8 hours ago, Duckman said: I find it amusing that of the four armies I played only one made it to WTOW. I probably would not go back to Lizards even if they were present but I will miss Skaven and Chaos Dwarves. this is where I'm confused. Both Skaven and Chaos Dwarves will have rules so you can play 'em... so aren't they in WTOW? Or they're not supported fully so not really gonna see any upgrades/etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Israel Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 9 hours ago, dalmer said: this is where I'm confused. Both Skaven and Chaos Dwarves will have rules so you can play 'em... so aren't they in WTOW? Or they're not supported fully so not really gonna see any upgrades/etc? They are playable, will not see support. Basically SDS (Forgeworld) and GW prime are having a pissing match about brand confusion between AoS and Old World. That's the rumors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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