intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Are full 10 man squads of Dire Avengers enough of a tax to make Wave Serpents less douchey for OFCC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisruptiveConduct Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 ask yer captain! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I am the Captain :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andozane Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well, you are off to a good start by putting 10 guys in there, not the minimum 5 :) I do wonder tho...if an Eldar dex drops next month, will Wave Serpents be an issue still... But to echo someone else, I think it more depends on how many you are planning on bringing... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 All of them (jk ) Well, you are off to a good start by putting 10 guys in there, not the minimum 5 :) I do wonder tho...if an Eldar dex drops next month, will Wave Serpents be an issue still... But to echo someone else, I think it more depends on how many you are planning on bringing... Yeah, I figured the first step was to get away from min maxingI want to be pro active 3 - 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 In general terms my list will probably look like Autarch Fire dragons in WS 3 x 10 DA in WS 2 x 3 jetbikes 10 rangers 10 swooping hawks Wraith Knight (cause he's pretty) Night spinner And I want to bring some broad sides because my team has nothing for fliers This is my general concept, I haven't put any points to it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well 3-4 won't win you any friends, I don't think it's too much for OFCC really. Ty for the feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andozane Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yeah, 3 - 4, that is fine...especially if you aren't minmaxing those internal units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yeah, 3 - 4, that is fine...especially if you aren't minmaxing those internal units. Ty for the feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I agree with this synopsis. Definitely on the high end of lists by dint of being what it is, but not out of the question for OFCC. 4 WS + Wraithknight is powerful though, no doubt. Almost assuredly a 3, but not going to be DQed unless there's a radical drop in power level across all lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Wait, are you adding broadsides to this as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarlordGhrom Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Seems to be approaching no-no land if you bring broadsides in my book as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Wait, are you adding broadsides to this as well? Yep, in some form or other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Seems to be approaching no-no land if you bring broadsides in my book as well. gamer please, I've seen worse in OFCC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Joel has said max 3 wave serpents for this year. Because the open is happening at the same time as the team OFCC, the lists for this year are expected to be softer than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Not taking Scatter Lasers goes a long ways towards reducing how powerful the Serpent is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Not taking Scatter Lasers goes a long ways towards reducing how powerful the Serpent is. I take starcannons, always have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Joel has said max 3 wave serpents for this year. Because the open is happening at the same time as the team OFCC, the lists for this year are expected to be softer than last year. I hope this works, my experience has only seen escalation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Not sure about it with broadsides, you're going to be going over typical OFCC stuff at that point IMO. the lists sans broadsides appears fine, but even without min maxing you have 3 of the best units in one of the best codex and 1 of the best units from a different codex. Just seems like you could do something different than broadsides for an eldar army to handle fliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 not without spending money, and I'll refer you to my earlier comment of playing against worse at OFCC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 not without spending money, and I'll refer you to my earlier comment of playing against worse at OFCCThat doesn't really matter since this is a different year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 not without spending money, and I'll refer you to my earlier comment of playing against worse at OFCC Just because I had a negative experience in a game, or felt that certain people may have had their lists rated softer than they should have been rated because of Good ol boy networks does not mean I should let that experience color how I approach OFCC. I am going to get 5 great games with great guys and further community support. I am responsible for me, and if I were a team captain, them as well. Saying "I don't see a problem with bringing a hard list, because I've seen others bring a hard list" only serves to build a sense of entitlement that I personally would rather not see at such events. Save that for LVO, OFCCO, NOVA, etc. No offense intended, man. Honestly, I think there shouldn't be a LRC, everything should be available. I think the Hard vs Soft lists would sort themselves out pretty quickly. Maybe have the LRC just for First round match ups. if people aren't playing for prizes, letting the Hardcore players play Hardcore shouldn't have an effect on the rest. I don't know if that makes any sense outside of my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 not without spending money, and I'll refer you to my earlier comment of playing against worse at OFCC OK, well, let me preface this by saying 2 things. 1. I know you personally, and I know you are a great person and also the consummate sportsman. I know you legitimately seek to give your opponent a good time (last year on my team I know for a fact that you pulled off the gas on two games to make them more fun). Essentially, I authoritatively know you are not a dick. 2. I know that the "ideal of OFCC" is so freaking arbitrary and seemingly hypocritical at times. Certain lists get in that shouldn't sometimes, and power levels fluctuate sometimes together or sometimes only from various corners. Getting 80 gamers to agree on ANYTHING is seemingly impossible. Me sitting here and pontificating on the benefits of the event is silly and pointless and probably also hypocritical. Both of those being said, I really think that 4 wave serpents, a wraithknight and broadsides is too much for OFCC. Last year, probably the apex of power levels that I've seen (my opinion of course), I wouldn't have let that list pass. There were a couple WS+WK lists (Tycho's played one IIRC) but nothing that ALSO had broadsides. I really and truly understand the financial implications of things like this, trust me. I am rolling with second hand and straight up GIVEN TO ME models. I'm super poor. So, trust me when I understand that being constrained by models is a problem I understand. Again, that being said, perhaps there's ways of adding points to the other models without having to add models? Go all out on the upgrades on the wave serpents? Buy essentially worthless updates to units, like making the rangers pathfinders? Anyway, perhaps post the models you have and lets see what we can slap together? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Could you do a foot eldar list Loren? With the support weapons and then a wraith knight and fire prisms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Also, and this goes to the discussions I had with AbusePuppy, for OFCC, often the perception of a lists power is more important than it's actual power. While I think that almost anyone who got past their pre-conceptions would enjoy a game against intrizic with that list, I know that a lot of OFCC attendees would look askance at a list like that. Whether it is actually more or less powerful than some other list that is entered is often superfluous if the perception of the list rates it higher. That's just real talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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