HeroZero Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 This thread is to challenge people to make out of the box, competitive armies for OFCC. Feel free to add any challenges, or take up the mantle on any challenge. Dwarves No warmachine No gyros or bombers No hammerers Warriors of chaos No Demon prince No skull crushers Bonus Challenge : take forsaken Demons No Greater demons No skull cannon No beasts of nurgle Dark elves No cauldron No warlocks Bonus Challenge: take medusa High elves No hoeth book No white lions No banner of world dragon No phoenix Lizards No slann No ancient stegadons Bonus Challenge: take a troglodon Beasts No herdstone No doombull Bonus Challenge: take jabberwock Vamps No vamp lord No red fury Bonus Challenge: take coven throne Ogres No ironblasters No ironguts No mournfang Bonus Challenge take yhtees Orcs and goblins No savage orcs No doom divers No manglers No fanatics Bonus Challenge: bring boar boyz Empire No units with 2+ saves or better No warmachines No warrior priests Bonus Challenge: bring a unit of free company 25+ Brettonia No Trebuchets No Pegasus knights Bonus Challenge: bring mounted yeoman Wood elves& TK Isn't this a big enough challenge.? Etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hmm...I'm not overly fond of the "must take" selections. If you restrict options and then "force" people to take other ones, the armies might start to look pretty repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 True. Had not thought of that munkie. Perhaps drop that must take part and replace it with Bonus Challenge: Take option X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 This sounds extremely dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Curious to hear what other people feel about Ogres. When I built my army, I told myself I wouldn't take the Hellheart, Mournfang, or double Ironblasters, in order to make it less of a net-list build, but I still put elements in there that I thought were "tough," like Stubborn Ironguts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 For the Dark Elves I can do it except for the No fast cav. Dark Elves with no chaff isn't just thinking out of the box it's something you just don't ask armies to do. But limiting it to one or the other option and I might go for it. I like building lists out of the box, but not having chaff takes away the movement phase and forces one to take multible Heros on Dark Pegasus or Dark Steeds. And that my friend is even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 For the Dark Elves I can do it except for the No fast cav. Dark Elves with no chaff isn't just thinking out of the box it's something you just don't ask armies to do. But limiting it to one or the other option and I might go for it. I like building lists out of the box, but not having chaff takes away the movement phase and forces one to take multible Heros on Dark Pegasus or Dark Steeds. And that my friend is even worse. Murphy. Here's some advice. Witches in units of 15 make great chaff. You don't need dark riders, I just don't like witch elves. Here you go: Units of 15 witches, some darkshards. A unit of 50 executioners, 4 RBT's, 3 hydra's...dreadlord kitted for combat on PD, supreme sorc level 4 w/dark magic and CoT on DP. Master with 1+RR BSB and 2 master with 1+ AS, great weapons, one with ring of hotek, other with iron curse icon in executioners, and you take 2-3 medusa for killing cav. There you have it hero, challenge met! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJP Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 If I had some Forsaken, I'd be all over the WoC challenge :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Honestly I could go for a more shooty list and lay down a larger unit of Dark Shards in the middle with RBTs on each side. On the side of them I will have my CoC and CoK with BSB on one flank and my Bloodwrack Shrine, Hydras and black gaurd on the other. Throw in some Witch Darts and two Sorceresses and it will get ugly. Throw out lots of shoots forcing my opponent to deal with the shooting but there will be no flanking them. They will have to come striaght in. If they ignore the shooting elements and go for a flank I swing my sides in for a pincer move and have line of fire the whole time. Rough idea but with some tweeking it could work. The items listed for DE are the most common but by no means the only competitive units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I updated the list with the missing armies Some good ideas here people. I like where this is heading.! Doesn't mean you gotta play some gimpy list, just thinking.outside the common go to units. I like how people jumped on ways to make a challenge into a strength! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Let me get that DE army that I posted across the table. Things will die fast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkieft Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I very much enjoy how this thread asks us to get out of one box and into another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sure, but at least we're thinking out of THE box. Now we're just in a box, which is way less trite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkieft Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 It seems to me, like we got out of our thinking box, and have gotten into a smaller box with less elbow room... and now we are thinking in that box, and our primary thought is "Why did I get in this smaller box? This Stinks.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Basically, this is what happens when you limit things and challenge someone to not take certain units. You max the rest of the broken combos. Heck, you take away hammerers from a dwarf army and you can either shove the unbrekable horde or the shieldwall horde flanked with GW longbeards across the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 If I had some Forsaken, I'd be all over the WoC challenge :) But my Skullcrushers are swans . I have no hellcannon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 It seems to me, like we got out of our thinking box, and have gotten into a smaller box with less elbow room... and now we are thinking in that box, and our primary thought is "Why did I get in this smaller box? This Stinks.".Well unless you have two 'fun' players both agreeing to bring 'different' lists you are going to have players trying to bring competitive lists. I myself already try not to bring the most powerhouse list while being competitve, so my box is pretty big to begin with. (Don't play witch elves, CoB, Hydras or double Warlocks.) And most army books are not one dimensional and have many playable options. As long as you don't ask players to lose a game phase, like asking a DE player to bring no magic, it is not unreasonable. And no one has to do it. I mean I will most likely not follow this for OFCC becuase I feel the ranking system in place should balance things already and I limit myself already. But it is still a fun mental exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarlordGhrom Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 This thread is to challenge people to make out of the box, competitive armies for OFCC. Feel free to add any challenges, or take up the mantle on any challenge. Dark elves No cauldron No warlocks Bonus Challenge: take medusa A MEDUSA?!?!??!! Now that's just being mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yeah, I don't think many people will take this list to heart but I think it does serve as a good guide to recognize what people dislike about playing your army so you can limit yourself accordingly. Will my dwarf army stick to those rules? No, in fact I'll have all of those things. But I can gather that limiting my war machines and gyros will probably lead to a more enjoyable game. Likewise, I'll limit myself to one hammerer block. But no war machines and no hammerers would mean I'll at some point have a game where I sit there and watch my opponent's monsters thunderstomp my army to death. And that doesn't seem like a recipe for a good game either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Also, no restrictions for skaven? Uh-oh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratrek Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Also, no restrictions for skaven? Uh-oh... Leave my rats alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Leave my rats alone! Never! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroZero Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I actually know very little about skaven in this edition. I didn't feel comfortable commenting on them. To all the.negative nancies who don't like this thread, it was just meant to be for fun, start a thought exercise , and maybe a bit of discussion I like that people are willing to look at their lists in context of "why am I taking this and can I put my own spin/creativity on the list" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Ok, I played Skaven from the release of their current book until about last November. There is no accurate way to say, "don't take this". If you ban the bell, you can just get 2 grey seer's in 2 different slave bunkers. If you ban the furnace then you probably just won't see monks. You ban the abom and then you see more doomwheel's. The same is the with plagueclaw catapults and warp lightning cannons. Plus, you can't take away the units of 50 rats spam. Skaven really have no limits. You tell them not to take 1 unit and then you see 5-6 hordes. 50+ units of rats aren't expensive (pointswise). The problem is then that you are forcing someone to spend a ton of money and time purchasing and painting units of rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy'sLawyer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Besides the new Skaven army book might be out by Sept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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