Ish Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 The problem is that GW is terribly uncreative with names and very bad at Latin. “Primaris” is clearly meant to be a doggerel latin attempt at ‘prīmārius,’ which means “one of the first rank, chief, excellent, principal,” that sort of thing. It’s the root for words like prime, premier, premium, and what have you. Trouble is, it looks way more like ‘prīmāriīs,’ which is the plural dative feminine declination. This from the same people that brought you the “No giRLs aLlow3D!” hyper-masculine super-soldiers... Named after an ancient Semitic goddess of sexuality, fertility, and womanhood. Probably because someone confused “Astartes” with “Astra.” “Adeptī Astra” would make far more sense, but no... Anyhow, while I totally agree the Primaris Marines do desperately need a “Primaris Rhino,” the Rhino Primaris is not the Rhino the Primaris need. 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Ish said: Anyhow, while I totally agree the Primaris Marines do desperately need a “Primaris Rhino,” the Rhino Primaris is not the Rhino the Primaris need. 🙄 I am wondering about the primaris fluff. I mean, if the primaris marines can't use the standard transports, what is the fluff on how they even get to the battlefield? Are they really all arriving via repulsor or thunderhawk? Anyway, I think the main reason Rhinos can't transport Primaris Marines is that it would be impossible to sell Repulsors if the other transports worked as well. Even if the Repulsor was heavily discounted in points, it's still an $80 kit vs a $37 kit. And Land Raiders cost the same, so they'd compete more. I would hardly be surprised if next edition, Primaris Marines just occupy the space of 2 regular infantry. This assumes, of course, that GW doesn't entirely drop support for the non-primaris models in the next edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Thunderhawk and Repulsor are their only “in game” models, but there’s also Space Marine Landing Craft in the fluff (they even had an old Epic model). It was basically a Thunderhawk Transporter with three times the capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 hours ago, paxmiles said: Yes and no. I bought 4 vindicators for this edition at the start of 8e. I used them pretty extensively with my chaos. My conclusion was that fielding 4x vindicators was never worth the points. The issue is that they cost as much as an imperial knight, but don't have nearly the tools or survivability of a knight. For me, it was more about Killshot. I really like Predators, to the point where I'm not actually entirely sure how many I have, and it was actually pretty awesome when I could get some redundancy for it. 12 hours ago, paxmiles said: The Rhino Primaris is a 7e model kit, so it predates the Primaris Space Marine inclusion in the codex. Yeah, I know. It still annoys me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, WestRider said: For me, it was more about Killshot. I really like Predators, to the point where I'm not actually entirely sure how many I have, and it was actually pretty awesome when I could get some redundancy for it. Hmm..I suppose you could have multiple SM factions within the same army to take 9 preds. BA, SM, and DA, for example. Though on the downside, each killshot would only work with members of the same chapter. Though that brings up an interesting question. is the Killshot from Codex SM considered using the same stratagem as using Killshot from Codex DA? Like could you use killshot multiple times in a phase if each set of preds was from a different codex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 I think it’s interesting that Killshot isn’t keyed to a weapon type: Predator Annihilators and Destructors can cooperate with each other to make it work. Baal Predators too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, paxmiles said: Hmm..I suppose you could have multiple SM factions within the same army to take 9 preds. BA, SM, and DA, for example. Though on the downside, each killshot would only work with members of the same chapter. Though that brings up an interesting question. is the Killshot from Codex SM considered using the same stratagem as using Killshot from Codex DA? Like could you use killshot multiple times in a phase if each set of preds was from a different codex? That might actually be worth trying. That's a lot of points invested in Predators, tho, even with just two trios. There's a note somewhere in one of the FAQs that Stratagems with the same name are considered the same Stratagem even if they come from different Codices. I think the specific example was Death Guard and CSM, but they said that the principle applied generally. 2 minutes ago, Ish said: I think it’s interesting that Killshot isn’t keyed to a weapon type: Predator Annihilators and Destructors can cooperate with each other to make it work. Baal Predators too. Yeah, I had noted that for Annihilators and Desctructors, but hadn't thought of Baals. That would mean that Blood Angels can actually still build in some redundancy for it. Cool! Also worth noting is that it's been Errataed so it buffs fixed damage as well as damage rolls, which is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 What tripes me up, however, is that it’s not keyed to a Predator keyword but to the dataslate name “Predator.” Which I think means that the Forgeworld Deimos Predators aren’t technically eligible for the Stratagem. I don’t think most players would notice or care, but it’s a funny quirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ish said: What tripes me up, however, is that it’s not keyed to a Predator keyword but to the dataslate name “Predator.” Which I think means that the Forgeworld Deimos Predators aren’t technically eligible for the Stratagem. I don’t think most players would notice or care, but it’s a funny quirk. Ugh, you're right. I think that might actually take Baal Predators out of the picture as well, since they have a different Datasheet name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, WestRider said: That might actually be worth trying. That's a lot of points invested in Predators, tho, even with just two trios. Yeah, but if you already have the models and they'd otherwise be useless due to the rule of three... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 I personally like flyers... And since mine is actually getting painted. (and has 4 colors believe it or not), they are much better than tanks not yet assembled for use 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, paxmiles said: Yeah, but if you already have the models and they'd otherwise be useless due to the rule of three... They're scattered among four or five Armies as it is. I just haven't ever run them all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Lyraeus said: I personally like flyers... Well, I do like the color... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Having looked over all the currently available Space Marine Flyers, I’m thinking that it’s going to be the Xiphon Interceptor that I will (eventually) pick up. Two twin-linked lascannons and a 60” Heavy 3 6/-2/3 missile launcher is pretty tasty. With no penalty for shooting Heavy weapons when moving and a +1 to hit versus Fly? It’s basically a Predator Destructor with a Devastator Squad attached. For ~220 Points! Plus, it looks awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, Ish said: Having looked over all the currently available Space Marine Flyers, I’m thinking that it’s going to be the Xiphon Interceptor that I will (eventually) pick up. Two twin-linked lascannons and a 60” Heavy 3 6/-2/3 missile launcher is pretty tasty. With no penalty for shooting Heavy weapons when moving and a +1 to hit versus Fly? It’s basically a Predator Destructor with a Devastator Squad attached. For ~220 Points! Plus, it looks awesome. You know, for a guy that vents about the cost of armies, you sure have some expensive tastes. $132 for a flyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 I did say eventually pick up. My problems with the price of this hobby are mostly self-inflicted, caused by trying to feed too many games at once. I've resolved to limit my 2019 purchases to just my Imperial Fists, my daughter's Sylvaneth, and various hobby tools -- an airbrush, new carrying cases, etc. Since I don't have more than one, maybe two, free nights a week there really isn't much point in trying to use them playing WH40k and AOS and Saga and Gaslands and Team Yankee and Necromunda and Blood Bowl... and honestly, typing it all out like that makes me realize just how silly it was to try. My Saga: Age of Vikings army is missing only four Hearthguard and a Warlord. That's a mere five figures... $20 tops. Then I need to paint them; My Gaslands collection is about a dozen cars, all painted and converted (although I want to add a turret to my bus); I'm planning to go back to Detroit this spring, so I can spring my old Empire army from storage and reorganize them into a Free Guilds army and my Ironjawz can just wait `til 2020... Team Yankee and Necromunda and Blood Bowl? Well, I don't actually own anything for them right now anyway. They can wait too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPaceORK Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Lyraeus said: I personally like flyers... And since mine is actually getting painted. (and has 4 colors believe it or not), they are much better than tanks not yet assembled for use 😛 That yellow is pretty darn good. For both orks and marines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SPaceORK said: That yellow is pretty darn good. For both orks and marines! Why thank you. It's averland sunset (GW) as a base, then the depreciation was burnt umber (vallejo), the panels then got a highlight on the inner part with yriel yellow (GW) and then a further highlight inside those areas with flashgitz yellow (GW). Then I made a glaze with Averland Sunset and the vallejo glaze Medium (though the GW lhamia medium works too) and went all over that which is what you see in that picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPaceORK Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lyraeus said: Why thank you. It's averland sunset (GW) as a base, then the depreciation was burnt umber (vallejo), the panels then got a highlight on the inner part with yriel yellow (GW) and then a further highlight inside those areas with flashgitz yellow (GW). Then I made a glaze with Averland Sunset and the vallejo glaze Medium (though the GW lhamia medium works too) and went all over that which is what you see in that picture. So yellow, brown, yellow, yellow, watery yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, SPaceORK said: So yellow, brown, yellow, yellow, watery yellow. It's dark yellow, brown panel lines, normal yellow, bright yellow, watery dark yellow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 He’s just jealous that his army isn’t clad in the best of colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyraeus Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ish said: He’s just jealous that his army isn’t clad in the best of colors. Well Bad Moons are the best. So I think you are just copying me. Heh... Fake chapter 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Ish said: My Saga: Age of Vikings army is missing only four Hearthguard and a Warlord. That's a mere five figures... $20 tops. Love SAGA! Won 2nd place in the Adepticon Team event last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Ish said: Xiphon Interceptor Take 3!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, fluger said: Love SAGA! Won 2nd place in the Adepticon Team event last year. My plan is to have a 6-point Anglo-Saxon warband as my primary. Maybe make a 4-point Viking warband, for demonstrating the game to new players (and maybe running as Saxons if I ever play a really big game). On my list of “when I get a workshop” projects, I really want to build a 10 mm or 6 mm scale Krak des Chevaliers lookalike and put together a pair of matching Age of Crusades armies. Saga actually word great in smaller scales, you just play the game as written, but with multiple tiny figures on each base. 5 hours ago, fluger said: Take 3!!!! Yeah, sure, they can be escorts for my Thunderhawk. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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