Gorgosaurusrex Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I like this and all, but it wont be allowed under current ITC rules as you cant have more than one of the same detachment. ITC is where I spend most of my list building. I have never played in an ITC event and don't think I ever will so that's not much of a concern for me. I do think Drop Pods are the more powerful option for this type of build. Razorspam is cute (especially with Scout) but deep striking oodles of ObSec units is ridiculously hard to deal with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I disagree. If you take two demi-companies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I get what he's saying, but you are still taking the same thing twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah, it doesn't work under ITC, despite whatever Reece says. You have to do away with the no duplicate detachments/formations rule. And I believe that was even voted on twice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indytims Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Curious, forgive the silly question, but.... Do your transports ALL have to be the -same- within the detachment? Or can you mix/max razors, rhinos, and pods to your heart's content? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Curious, forgive the silly question, but.... Do your transports ALL have to be the -same- within the detachment? Or can you mix/max razors, rhinos, and pods to your heart's content? You can mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Consider also that the razors are kicking out significantly more shooting.Agreed razors in quantity are much better, but 2-3 av 12 that pop on the board and secure an objective is something you force your opponent to deal with and also the passengers can be threatening with short range fire power. I believe a mix and match of pods and razors is the way to go, also it doesn't force you to take white scars for scout moves, so you can look at other tactics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I get what he's saying, but you are still taking the same thing twice. but then it forms a battle company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 And in my Necron army, if I take a reclamation legion and two canoptek harvests, it forms a Decurion. But that was voted on and not allowed. So it doesn't matter that two Demi Companies form a Battle Company, it's still composed of two of something, which is not allowed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottshoemaker Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Do the squads have to be 10 man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torg Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Funny title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhailLenin Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 And in my Necron army, if I take a reclamation legion and two canoptek harvests, it forms a Decurion. But that was voted on and not allowed. So it doesn't matter that two Demi Companies form a Battle Company, it's still composed of two of something, which is not allowed. I agree with your logic but there is design mechanic aside from list building that this rule would destroy. Like right now you dont get rule synergies in decurions for having duplicate formations unlike the battle company which is. One was a balance decision outside the game and the other now becomes a design override Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well, then people should have been a lot more cautious when they voted. It didn't take a genius to see that detachments were getting unique buffs, and that detachments within detachments were the future. But in any case, I have no problem altering the rule, but not altering it just for space marines. If multiple formations/detachments are allowed because now the game has Battle Companies, there can be no justification for not allowing multiple formations/detachments for everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 We really need to increase the point level of our games.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 We really need to increase the point level of our games....That is not the answer to this; in fact, it makes it worse. Even if it did help, it isn't a solution because no one is going to play 3 4 hour rounds in a one day event. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 That is not the answer to this; in fact, it makes it worse. Even if it did help, it isn't a solution because no one is going to play 3 4 hour rounds in a one day event. I wasn't really addressing that. All this talk of battle companies just makes me want to field more marines is all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The thing is the only way to feild a battle company is with two of the same detatchments, the same can't be said for decurion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The thing is the only way to feild a battle company is with two of the same detatchments, the same can't be said for decurionSome detachments/formations end up unusable based on event rules. That happens. This is just another instance of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Strict reading says no, doesn't mean a change or addendum can't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indytims Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 If you want to use more Marines - can't you just play an Apoc-sized game? Or are Apoc rules not used in 7th? I've always avoided games of that size so I really don't know. I'd much prefer 1250-1500 point games, myself, not -bigger-. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The point is the new codex has a formation that is fairly low in cost possibly low enough to fit in 1500 it has 2 formations in it making it itc tourney rules illegal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 You can fit it in 1500 easily. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I think if you take no upgrades whatsoever, take the cheapest Auxiliary Formation, and run Speeders instead of the Assault Squads, you can cram it in under 1K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 So, all these bits about free vehicles, but between that eldar book and the admech books, vehicles may as well be free most of the time. Haywire is downright common in admech lists, despite being absolutely rare prior to that. D weapons are common in the eldar book. Both melt though vehicles like paper. Making Rhinos free is hardly a bonus when you need the rhinos to melt instead of your marines against the turn 1 shooting of admech or eldar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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