starting aleph!

[Peanut]

Yeah Nathan is a really cool guy, knows the rules inside and out too. Seems like some games there's just no luck on your side.

[Don't Panic]

Yeah Nathan is a really cool guy, knows the rules inside and out too. Seems like some games there's just no luck on your side.

honestly i would have gotten creamed even if i had average luck i think.  he had superior position and played everything well.  plus i never have 'average' luck lol.  its super weird haha!  i had some sneaky stuff though that caught him off guard a little when i ARO engaged with my dakini and then took control of his mine with my minesweeper bot. you know this game is a ton of fun when you get your teeth kicked in but still had a ton of enjoyment!  he had a hard list for me to handle and i brought something kinda silly really(tons of robots lol).  only thing that actually got through armor was the only time i shot with my asura.  i need to learn how to use her better... 

 

oh forgot to add: i read all the fluff last night for like 3-4 straight hours(maybe more?).  loved it... aleph is in there a lot more than i thought just dont have a 'headline' like everyone else besides tohaa.  its really quite interesting.  i can say which fluff i enjoyed the best but i think ariadna was one of the most fun to read and combined army had the most unique fluff.  but just a really fascinating game!

[Don't Panic]

starting to get a feel for things a bit but want to test out other pieces.. not sure exactly how 2 groups works with aleph but was thinking that only way it seems to make sens right now to me is if i put a link team in the second group.  the second group could be myrms but they are dealt with easily if your opponents have the tools and not sure they are worth stacking the points into... enter thorakitai.  58 point link team and i could put more into it and have double rockets but ill keep it conservative for now.  with 360 arc and slightly higher arm they might be able to 'bunker' and cover more shooting space(myrms are still faster and better in short range) than myrms.  they will go down to majority of things, but not many people like taking aro 2 burst rockets... they are more just a speed bump.  the punch will be in my first group.  asura with spitfire.  yup going to bring that bad girl out.  she's quite the tank and can dish out damage to things that dont want to be shot at with heavy guns.  she will need to have protection though because she is hackable.. my other big puncher will be the dakini with HMG.  bs11 is pretty 'meh' but it is fast and has mimetism.  most importantly though is it's an REM so i can do the standard markmanships hack with thamyris.  proxy girls are neat.  cheap yet really decent stat lines.  i need to learn how to use the sniper because it will take some finesse.  1 drop guy just to pick off something i need to pick off.  he will be cheap and just have templates to be a suicide runner.  and then machaon.  so i really like him.  ive only played him once and forgot the most important rules to him that make him good so i shouldnt forget his defensive specialties.  he's an obvious lieutenant, but can throw zero V smoke, ODD, NWI and can freaking heal himself.  he's very defensive and solid just have to stay away from the scary ammunition types(easier said than done).  so that's kinda my thinking right now for this 300 pt list.  any suggestions/thoughts are encouraged cause i still have no idea what im doing sometimes :) 

Aleph
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Group 1 9 0 0
THAMYRIS Hacker (Hacking Device) Marker, Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
EKDROMOS Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (19)
PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (14)
DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17)
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
ASURA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 70)

Group 2 4 0 0
THRASYMEDES (Fireteam: Enomotarchos) Submachine gun, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 30)
THORAKITES Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (16)
THORAKITES Submachine gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (12)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

6 SWC | 298 Points

Open with Army 5
 

[Don't Panic]

lolz doh forgot link teams are only sectional... hmm have to rethink then

[NakedPanda]

That would have raised an eyebrow for sure hahaha

[Don't Panic]

lol yea total brain fart!  i just really want to use the proxy girls, asura and my hmg dakini but if i do that means no link teams and i want to play those to learn how to play them... so enter link team crazy [big bad swear word]!  also has the nice plus that pheonix or machaon could be lieutenant 

Steel Phalanx

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Group 1 9 0 0

THAMYRIS Hacker (Hacking Device) Marker, Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)

EKDROMOS Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (19)

DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17)

ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)

PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Assault Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 35)

MYRMIDON Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (24)

MYRMIDON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (25)

PROBOT (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)

YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)

 

Group 2 5 0 0

THRASYMEDES (Fireteam: Enomotarchos) Submachine gun, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 30)

THORAKITES Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (16)

THORAKITES Submachine gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)

THORAKITES Submachine gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (12)

NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

 

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

 

Open with Army 5

[NakedPanda]

hey link teams are just another tool in hand, and can be found wanting compared to other options! 

[Don't Panic]

but but but I LIKE ROCKETS!  AS MANY ROCKETS AS POSSIBLE!  all jokes aside it wont suffice for ITS with a lack of engineer which i just noticed.  i dont have dactyls and not sure if i want to invest much more.   so probably go back to vanilla and pull off a few thorakites.  i think im having too much fun with lists and need to stick to one to try... but i need to test an ITS legal/'all objectives possible' one lol.

[NakedPanda]

yeah, we have guys up here that just have to randomly choose their list from their favourites, or they will never settle on actually playing one hahaha

[Don't Panic]

i had a nice bit of scotch tonight and was bored and thought 'i need to make a list with as many robots as possible'.  think i accomplished this... i started out making this for a joke but actually it doesnt look that pitiful lol.  i may actually need to try this one..

Aleph
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Group 1 9 0 0
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (13)
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (13)
ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17)
GARUDA Tacbot Boarding Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (21)
MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120)
SCYLLA Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 1 Devabot / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 32)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5
 

[rudra34]

Wow.  That is an expensive TAG!   Also, I was also looking at a bring-all-the-robots list this evening.  Maybe it's the liquor talking to us.  

[Don't Panic]

well i was just watching this gem on the interwebz....

 

but nah its that robots are just awesome

[indytims]

Last night I got crushed by Aleph again. Some sort of Fireteam with Ajax, Machaon, Phoenix, and someone else. +1 B, NWI, ODD on all of them, etc. I fared better than last time, but still got crushed. LOL.

[Don't Panic]

wow thats putting a ton of points into an 8 inch template basket... 4 myrms with 3 characters is 150+ points.  just bring some templates next time and try to stay out of pheonix arc as he is brutal in a link team.  throw some spec shots if you can to take off the odd and then pick off individuals or keep templating them.  thats a nasty combo but admittingly not my style i found out last week as its quite a big risk big reward setup.

[Don't Panic]

Wow.  That is an expensive TAG!  

yea its one of the most expensive pieces in the game.  in the list i provided its probably not supported well enough(BUT ROBOTS!).  i think you need a CoC myrm with regular smoke for it be effective. 

[indytims]

wow thats putting a ton of points into an 8 inch template basket... 4 myrms with 3 characters is 150+ points.  just bring some templates next time and try to stay out of pheonix arc as he is brutal in a link team.  throw some spec shots if you can to take off the odd and then pick off individuals or keep templating them.  thats a nasty combo but admittingly not my style i found out last week as its quite a big risk big reward setup.

 

I got all of them but Ajax. :) So there was a minor morale victory in there for me! :)

 

Last game, I -only- killed Ajax, so it was a complete 180. LOL!

 

I love this game. :)

[Don't Panic]

here's a list i think might be a list for competitive events.  would be very challenging to learn but has a lot of fun things in it.  give me feedback if ya can! 

Aleph
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Group 1 9 0 0
PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (14)
GARUDA Tacbot Boarding Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (21)
DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17)
ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
ASURA Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 72)
NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
DASYU Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 35)
DEVA (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5
 

[NakedPanda]

naga have vexed me more than once hahaha

[Don't Panic]

so i sucked terribly tonight.  lost all three games in laughable fashion.  game can be a little frustrating ill admit.  think i ate about 10 crits tonight but i did finally get 1 in the end so ill call it a wash .  my list lacked any long range threat and i think i should have just not brought a hacker cause he was worthless overall.  the thought was that even though light rocket launchers are not great long range range, at least thasymedes is -9 to hit but it doesnt seem to matter when he just eats crits. bad dice are really unforgiving in this game... but eh even in 3 losses i had fun.  that list gets the trash can though... just not versatile enough.  might bring an agema or something for long range threat next time! 

[NakedPanda]

yeah, lacking the tools completely will make for some desperate moments.

 

Top players have repeatedly said to bring at least something, be it a tactic or piece of equipment, for the inevitable bad day.

 

Can't speak for wh40k since I have not played since Tau came out, but whfb saw a great deal of trying to bypass phases. Chaos and the shooting phase for instance. Infinity does not afford that nearly as well hahaha

 

I consistently bone my reactive phase, because I just keep falling in to the same trap of hiding, rather than keeping pressure on the opponent. 

 

Just as you figured, versatility is indeed extremely important.

 

And rather than thinking "I need MSV for camo, sniper for long range etc etc" I would suggest thinking this way instead, "I need something for anti camo, I need something to contest/survive long range" 

 

Camo can be bypassed by starving it for orders (kill everything else), flame/chain DTW, mines, MSV, sensor, sniffer, and so on. Choose the one that works best with your play

 

Snipers at long range? Drop troops, camo, hidden deployment, cautious move, and so on.

 

Dont give up on a list that has things you like, tweak what just doesn't work for you!

 

Paid for by the don't throw away committee (DTAC)

[Don't Panic]

yea when i say trash i mean that exact list ill never play again lol.  i planned on still doing the thorakitai link team and machaon is an excellent leiutenant at low point levels.  the problem is with the remaining points which i think instead of the hacker ill just bring something with range.  i actually kinda like the mk12 agema A LOT.  not too into the missile launchers just cause they are B1 and relying on B1 for protection with my luck is not going to cut it lol.  so i think ill bring the mk12 guy next time i try this list instead of the hacker.  he will at least scare the crap out of snipers/camo... bs13 with xvisor and msv2?  that should solve some of my problems... i wish steel phalanx had camo and a more durable/reliable long range threat.  why im leaning towards tossing link teams(and steel) and playing with all the other toys.  but i think i enjoy the thorakitai link more than myrms.  idk why i just like that they are cheaper, less unidimensional and have more gun options *shrugs* and thasymedes is basically a myrm with 360 as their leader.  he just had some bad luck yesterday lol.  also im really happy to see both eric/pete pick apart link teams the way you should!  was pretty cool to see that.  but yea once i get the rest of my aleph stuff im probably going to walk away from steel a bit or just go back and forth. 

[rudra34]

I suggest you bring more robots.

[Raindog]

I would like to point out in my game with you, that you may have lost most of your models, but you won the scenario 9-4.

[indytims]

...  also im really happy to see both eric/pete pick apart link teams the way you should!  was pretty cool to see that...

 

More info please!

 

Killing the link-leader ASAP I imagine?

[Exile]

First shot was a long range plink with a combi, but the second and third was achieved by 'slicing the pie' around a corner to draw LOF to only one guy at a time. Which I could only really do, because DP conga-lined them out of cover.