Iraf Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think If you changed to Lore of Nurgle and took 1 Hellcannon out you would be in the positives. Make another list and email it to me. I'm sure a Throgg list will be doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverBeliever Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Comp system that we are using As a further note, we're not implementing any of this system into battle scores or tournament points; we're just using it to gauge where lists are coming in, i.e., lists should be from 0 to 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 The sweedish comp system is extremely easy to use. If you are wanting to try for the hardest list your army can bring, the goal is to get a 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I am disappointed to see the use of a comp system. At the very least, we should know the comp threshold. From the document "Comp Threshold: To have a legal army your comp score must be above a certain predetermined value." This is one of the problems with this system, it doesn't beat power gaming, just introduces a different kind. My list came to a 9.9 as calculated initially. Does this mean I can make it harder? (theoretical disposition, my list is already set) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 As a further note, we're not implementing any of this system into battle scores or tournament points; we're just using it to gauge where lists are coming in, i.e., lists should be from 0 to 20. Ok then, nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yes, you could make it harder. The somp system works extremely well and is a good calculator to see how tough your army is before rolling any dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Also the use of the comp system to rate list is by far the easiest, with no chance of a person thinking we are bias towards a certain army or person. It also allows the players to guage their own lists. Knowing exactly how it will be rated with no surprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewc Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yes, you could make it harder. The somp system works extremely well and is a good calculator to see how tough your army is before rolling any dice. I may not have made my point clear enough. It's irrelevant as they are using this system to gauge the overall power level of the event and to have any outliers redo (as I understand it), not used for adding points to overall score as they do in EU/AU/NZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I may not have made my point clear enough. It's irrelevant as they are using this system to gauge the overall power level of the event and to have any outliers redo (as I understand it), not used for adding points to overall score as they do in EU/AU/NZ Exactly. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverBeliever Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think If you changed to Lore of Nurgle and took 1 Hellcannon out you would be in the positives. Make another list and email it to me. I'm sure a Throgg list will be doable. Definitely. It looks like only a few tweaks to make it hit the positives, and I'd really like to see your Throgg and troll horde. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 My list is a 19.4…..? Weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 My list is a 19.4…..? Weird Have you looked at how the points work for your army? In order to get low ratings you really need to focus on the multiple modifiers for certain things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Email me your list raindog. I'll take a look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Iraf, I cannot send you PMs for some reason, so here is my list. Highborn on a Forest Dragon. Charmed Shield, Stone of the Crystal Mere, Sword of Might, Helm of the Hunt, Annoyance of Netlings, Light Armor *5 Strength 5 attacks, 5 Strength 6 attacks, AS 4+, ignore first hit, 3+ limited Ward Save Spell Singer L2, Divination Orb, Iron Curse Icon 8 Dryads 8 Dryads 8 Dryads 8 Dryads 12 Glade Guard + Musician 10 Glade Guard + Musician 5 Wild Riders + Musician, 8 Treekin Treeman Great Eagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hmm. Looks like my inbox is full. Ill rate that list when I get off and pm you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverBeliever Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 My list is a 19.4…..? Weird I think there's a few reasons: Dragons relatively aren't many points in the system because they're inconsistent (i.e., cannons!), you didn't take a level 4, many WE units are more expensive than they'd probably be in an updated 8th ed book, and WE in general probably aren't that highly rated in their system overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I got a 18.8 from that list. You have a very kind list. 1 level 2 wizard (without even a dispel scroll), No BSB, nor any Eternal Warriors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I am surprised to see the Nurgle list I would have brought would be a 9.2. I was expecting lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I've deleted all my old messages. Anyone wishing to turn there list in can either pm me with the list, or email them to: orderoftheblacksheep@mail.com Please note that email is mail.com and NOT gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Thanks guys! It looks I will be playing a super soft list according to the Swedish Comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojoslayer Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Strange that that list would score so high RD. It looks like a pretty good list with lots of potential power, proper deployment and movement, which we all know you do well, will get you to the top tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Thanks guys! It looks I will be playing a super soft list according to the Swedish Comp. This system is based around min/max builds and does not take into account player skill. You know your army well and use the strengths/weaknesses very well. Don't worry, my all mounted list is only rated at about a 14. Alot of the points depend on certain units being maxed or doubled up and the use of certain spell choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicFlava Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Trying to make this work for me. Is there anybody i could stay with in the area if i can make this work? Thanks in advance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Out of curiosity I rated my DE list, and it came out 23.6. Does that mean you guys would suggest making it tougher, to be able compete with the lists that will be there? Also, again out of curiosity (as someone who used to organize tournaments and put a lot of thought into such scoring systems), why do you not incorporate the comp score into the tournament scoring? Not that I think you should, necessarily, but it seems you guys have put a nice tournament together and I'm curious about your reasoning.Thanks,Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 By the way those of you using the swedish comp pdf, I believe (Iraf correct me if I'm wrong please) that you must subtract ALL the penalties for a given line:e.g. if I have a Master on a Manticore with a Black Dragon Egg, his penalty (assuming he's my only flying character) is -14 total just for the egg: "Black Dragon Egg -2 (-4 if mounted)(-8 if mounted on flying mount)"Since you add them all up, it's not -8, it's -14. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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