Iraf Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 By the way those of you using the swedish comp pdf, I believe (Iraf correct me if I'm wrong please) that you must subtract ALL the penalties for a given line: e.g. if I have a Master on a Manticore with a Black Dragon Egg, his penalty (assuming he's my only flying character) is -14 total just for the egg: "Black Dragon Egg -2 (-4 if mounted)(-8 if mounted on flying mount)" Since you add them all up, it's not -8, it's -14. Right? From the Calculating Rules on Page 5: Whenever a composition point is followed by brackets with another composition score inside, use the value in the brackets instead of the value outside the brackets if the conditions are met. In some cases the composition score in the brackets are listed as "additional...", in these cases, you should add this to the composition score outside the brackets. If a composition score is not inside brackets, it is always in addition to other applicable composition scores. If there are several brackets, use all applicable brackets. So it would be -12 for the item that you described. **edited due to fact I just read the Dark Elves section and there are 2 applicable sections in brackets)** Out of curiosity I rated my DE list, and it came out 23.6. Does that mean you guys would suggest making it tougher, to be able compete with the lists that will be there? Also, again out of curiosity (as someone who used to organize tournaments and put a lot of thought into such scoring systems), why do you not incorporate the comp score into the tournament scoring? Not that I think you should, necessarily, but it seems you guys have put a nice tournament together and I'm curious about your reasoning. Thanks, Nathan Two Things here. First, I don't see how you got a 23.6. That would be extremely unlikely, but I'm not saying it's impossible. I'd like you to message me your list. Not link it here please. Second, we are not the biggest fans of comp scoring. Using the Comp for army composition was mainly a way to keep lists from being over the top in regards to Death star list, all Shooting lists and broken synergy lists. Basically lists that aren't "fun" to play against. That is one thing that the Comp scoring system is very good at. Hope that answers your questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 huh it seems that my O&G list is -13.1 My Dwarf list - 18.5 The goal is to be a zero . Both lists are almost all big blocks of core with little to no rare/special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Oh okay, that's helpful… thanks! And haha, I didn't go past page 1 for the Dark Elves… so umm, oops!My score is actually 114, or 11.4, which makes a lot more sense! I'll send you my list if you're curious to verify it. Still the question was supposed to be theoretical, since I'm not able to attend the tourney anyway: do you recommend armies with scores over 20 try to get tougher? I just don't understand the "upper bound" thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Ah, didn't know you weren't coming. No, no reason to send the list. You caught your own mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Gunnerson: I think someone started that "goal of zero" incorrectly… the goal is to be a zero, only if your goal is to bring the most min/maxed army you can get away with!I can't believe there is anything wrong with a typical army build that scores in the range of 5-15 or whatever. But I could be wrong :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 So my list would be on the softer side? The Chaos Dwarf list I came up with was -9.4 . Or is this saying that by being in the negitive range my list is hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talapas Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Negative scores are too tough. Conversely, scores that are 20+ are likely too soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Gunnerson: okay if you are starting out in negatives, then yes your goal should be to get to 0 to be allowed. However if you're already well above 0, I don't think they are trying to encourage you to get DOWN to 0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 It's also extremely hard to get a 20+ score. If you bring a Lord level character, 1 elite unit, and a single war machine or rare choice, you'll most likely have a list below 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Meh I think this is going to lock me in as a no go. I was kind of up in the air about being able to attend anyway. I was looking at bringing the same list I brought last year (I think) but changing it around in order to fit Skarsnik. The list is almost all core. I cant imagine 3 blocks of 50 NG with 1 boss and 1 shaman in each unit 2 fanatics and nets supported by 2 five man wolf units and 4 goblin war machines coomming close to comparing with half of the OFCC armies I ran into and those were supposed to be friendly. I might change my mind if the dwarf book drops in time to make it into the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Meh I think this is going to lock me in as a no go. I was kind of up in the air about being able to attend anyway. I was looking at bringing the same list I brought last year (I think) but changing it around in order to fit Skarsnik. The list is almost all core. I cant imagine 3 blocks of 50 NG with 1 boss and 1 shaman in each unit 2 fanatics and nets supported by 2 five man wolf units and 4 goblin war machines coomming close to comparing with half of the OFCC armies I ran into and those were supposed to be friendly. I might change my mind if the dwarf book drops in time to make it into the event. We used the same comp score last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Iraf, One more clarifying question: what's the "War Machines Points" section 19 about? Can you give an example please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I must have done something wrong then. I dropped a Giant and the Aracknarock to add in a Doomdiver and Skarsnick and add a few more bodies to my mobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 You add up your WMP and then confer on the chart to see what the additional minus points are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Nevermind: I found it. Certain armies have units that add "WMP"s… I was confused because neither DE or Brets war machines have WMPs associated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverBeliever Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think most lists that people make will naturally fall into the 0-20 range, so I'd just email in your list and we'll let you know if it's out of bounds. I wouldn't worry about the Swedish comp score unless you're really curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Okay guys! You have a week from today to get your lists in. The deadline is February 7th. You can email them to: orderoftheblacksheep@mail.com Don't forget that it is @mail.com and not @gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindog Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 List in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexicanNinja Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I still have 35 cavalry models to paint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 hopefully got my list in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerson Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 My list is in, and I am hoping its Good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNathanson Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 My list is in, and I am hoping its Good to go. Gunnerson what did you end up deciding to do, revise your CDs or play a different army? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 My list is in, and I am hoping its Good to go. Received your list and it is good. Thanks! hopefully got my list in.... Received your list and it is good. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraf Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 List in! Received your list and it is good. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Flanders Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 How do we submit our lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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