intrizic Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I'm the only one who gets to be a poo on these forums.... Seems like you're having some stress over this codex release, I get that way too when a codex I have an investment in comes up for an update. /wolf hugs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Seems like you're having some stress over this codex release, I get that way too when a codex I have an investment in comes up for an update. I'm stressed? Negatory. I'm ecstatic about an update for SW though. SW were my first army and I've been playing them for 15 years. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Fifth edition called; They want their joke back. :( Damn, I wasn't around for 5th ed jokes.Kinda like when my Son "discovered" Looney Tunes;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I do have beef that it makes a better gunship than a storm raven. I'm not bitter. At. All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I do have beef that it makes a better gunship than a storm raven. I'm not bitter. At. All. That's because Stormraven is more generalist than specific. The stormraven is a better transport than the Stormfang gunship and a better gunship than the Stormwolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 That's because Stormraven is more generalist than specific. The stormraven is a better transport than the Stormfang gunship and a better gunship than the Stormwolf. Regarding a Storm Wolf vs Storm Raven comparison, since the Wolf has a higher transport capacity than a Raven in addition to having a slightly higher number of weapons it appears that the Wolf is better able to perform transport duty. It's a bit arguable though since Ravens do have access to an Assault Cannon/plasma cannons, missile launcher system/hvy bolters (via weapon swapping) AND one shot missile. On paper, the wolf is still +1 TL melta/Heavy Bolter and TL focused hellfrost cannon shots above a similarly configured storm raven. In my opinion, I'd hesitate to say Ravens are a better transport though. What isn't known is if the Wolf can transport JP models though. I'll conceed that Ravens are better gunships on paper vs. Fangs though. Discounting the Destructor, Fangs end up paying more to upgrade to lascannons and swapping the TL heavy bolters for multi-meltas. Versus Air targets, the Raven will probably win out since it has assault cannons. Versus land targets, I'm tempted to go with the Fangs ability to drop ap3 pie plates on people's heads. Though loading the ship up with two 60" str 7 missiles, I'm almost of a mind to say it's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I think you're missing my comparison. I'm comparing the transport version's guns vs the Storm raven's guns and the Shooting versions transport vs the Storm Raven's transport. I.e. The Stormraven is a generalist and the new one is each a specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 But the Raven isn't a better gunship than the StormWolf™. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Okay, let's break this down: SR12 Models and DreadTL - Assault Cannon (can be TL Las or TL PC for free)TL HB (can be MM for free or Typhoon)4 Missilescan pay for Hurricane BoltersTransport Version16 ModelsTL LascannonTL Hell Frost (lesser version)TL HB (can be Skyhammer for free or MM)So... This version has more transport (although no dread) but has the Hellfrost instead of the missiles, and cannot add hurricane. So arguably these are much more equivalent to each other.Shooty Version6 ModelsHell Destructor (Lance and large blast)2 Storm Strike Missiles (Upgrade to TL Lascannon)2 TL HB (Upgrade to Skyhammer for free or TL MM)This version has much less transport but better (but less) gunsTLDR: SR actually carries almost as much as the transport (depending on how you value the dread) and has more guns (although value of those guns is difficult at this point.) The SR has more transport but less valuable guns than the gunship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dreads are better transported in a Drop Pod but we won't get into that. Rather than argue the point, I'm going to just say I disagree and leave it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Fair enough, so modifying... TLDR: SR carries 4 less than the transport (not counting the dread) and has more guns The SR has more transport but less valuable guns than the gunship. So, basically my original point that I made. :) Oh and the SR is 10-15 points cheaper than either wolf variant and has much better gun arcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Not a rumour, just a nasty thought I had while looking through my Stormclaw box: Given GW's trend toward removing options that aren't in the kits, it seems frighteningly likely that WG Termies are going to lose their Combi-Weapon options :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I read on the net today that WG Termies are losing combiweapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Ugh. That's a bunch of arms I'm going to have to break off. At least I hadn't finished painting them :P 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Don't believe half of the rumors you read. Almost exactly. Also, that's why I never use plastic glue. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Don't get ahead of yourself, this is the only forum I've been on today ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Don't get ahead of yourself, this is the only forum I've been on today ;)Lol I may be slow but now that I get it it's funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Just doing my part to contribute to Rumor Reverb. :D 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Ha! Well played, sir, well played ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 My birthday's coming up in 6 months, just saying... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I kinda want to put a longship prow and a row of shields on it. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I've been seeing a lot of hate towards these models, but I think they look awesome. The shields/prow thing is definitely awesome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah, they look kinda like these: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah, to me, they look how I would imagine a boarding-action spaceship would look. I thought the Caestus was perfect looking in this regard, and these continue that idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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