MexicanNinja

Well, it looks like the majority of you would not like to face my mobile dark elf army. However, I will say it does get to participate in every phase of the game. I also bring at least 3 units which must get into combat with someting fast.

Hmmmm. For me, it's non challenging lists. I prefer to play hard lists. The harder it looks on paper, the more I want to play it. It does a few things for me: 1) Makes me a better player 2) Gives me the type of competitve game I prefer (you can be competitive and still have a friendly game) 3) Helps me better understand certain unit/army combos So, for me, I'm not a fan of soft lists. Those just aren't the type of games I prefer.

Yes, I am curious as to how this list works as well. While there is a lot of shooting, the majority of it is still only BS3. I see it almost suffering the same fate as my Dark Riders. You will hit half the time and then the wounds just don't add up on the big ranked up units.

@Murphy, yeah, I was just pointing out the potential spam. The only way to make it work is to stick them in a unit of brolocks. @Dark, Hydra's are the biz. If your opponent doesn't kill them in a single turn, they will probably be sticking around for longer than they wish. I was sceptical at first, then once I tried the new Hydra rules, yeah, very good. The new Dark Elves are like the old High Elf book....ridiculous. You get 2 sets of re-rolls in close combat against 95% of what you're fighting. Remember how High Elves used to Clown Dark Elves? We Clown High Elves now because of Hatred (High Elves).

Not that big of a deal, you are charging units on turn 2 with with 5 characters., or possibly turn 1 if you don't go first. You have the ability to cross 24" of the table before the game starts, with the vanguard. You have a charge range of 9"+the 2 highest dice of a 3 dice charge distance roll. You could get 6 masters on dark steeds and one of them could be a BSB for under 625 points in a 2.5k game. You stick them in a unit of 10 warlocks and you don't care about lore of metal. You allocate wounds to the warlocks and get 4+ ward saves. You can also make LoS rolls for them and pass the saves that disallow armour saves to the warlocks as well. This unit doesn't die easily. You then take those points and get a mobile level 4 caster on a dark peg w/cloak of twilight and can still take a dreadlord on dark peg w/ogre blade, talisman of preservation, and ToTS. You can still spam 4 reaper bolth throwers, chariots, hydra's and crossbowmen for shooting and combat support. The trade off for spending the points on characters instead of CoK's is in the dark elf player's favor. Again, you get better WS, consistant S6 attacks, and can pass saves onto a model with a 4+ ward save. This option was one of the first things which attracted my attention. There is a reason I haven't run this option in any games yet.

I would face this list. You have the gunline, but it just takes 1 IF purple sun down that flank...

I will be at borderlands.

Here you go: 5 masters with great weapons, heavy armour and sea dragon cloaks get a 2+ armour save on dark steeds and a 1+ armour save on cold ones. They are less than 100 points each and you can get a frontage with 15 S6 attacks and all attacks back at them need to individually pick out characters. The usual spam is 3 of them mamma jamma's. You basically spend the same number in points on 3 of these guys as you would a unit of 10 CoK's, consistant S6, either faster movement with the same save as a knight, or 1+ armour saves on cold ones. If you toss them in a unit of warlocks, you just vanguard, and start charging. You move the characters to the front and go to town on the flanks of your enemy. It's not being used by anyone in Ordo, that I'm aware of. All of the above is still before you take magic items. You could give one of them the stuborn crown, so now they just hold something in place, you can tack in all kinds of magic items for different kinds of goodness.

Don't leave out Randog. He donated the most food!

I have to disagree with you on harpies and sisters. Harpies aren't worth it, IMO, when you could get better results with just 5 dark riders. Sisters OP? Please show me how. This unit is straight garbage if it isn't on the flank of something.

Mean units: Level 4 sorceress with dark magic- +5 to cast with relatively low casting values Death Hag on Cauldron of blood w/obsidian blade-It's mean, but she only has 2 wounds w/a 5+ ward save 30 Executioners w/cauldron of blood w/death hag and witch brew Untis of 10 Warlocks or 2 units of 5 warlocks-the first is hard to shift, the second is a cheap level 2 mobile caster spam What can be abused: multiple masters w/great weapons, sea dragon cloaks, cold ones- it's like 95 points to get 3 S6 great weapon attacks on a 1+ armour save characters mutliple units of warlocks 4 reaper bolt throwers- only 280 points to get 4 of these things multiple hero dark magic casters for doom bolt access What are 1+ must have units: This is a tough one. It really comes down to the play style you are going for. For me, I have 2 cold one chariots which I live by. They are tough hard hitting units. I like 2 reaper bolt throwers because, well what dark elf or high elf player doesn't. We all know I like to use 3 units of dark riders as well. Cheap redirectors, they can harrass the flanks very fast and can clean up small units on their own. However, if most of you have played the army. The difficulity is engaging them. They don't really do a whole lot of game changing shooting. What units stink: Medusa- this this is just stupid and a waste of points Harpies- too expensive to use as redirectors and they take up special points Sisters of Slaughter- Not worth their points, they have no survivability outside of melee and you won't waste points on a unit of more than 10 Fleetmasters- Trash, straight trash Assassins- no point in wasting hero points on these when you can take masters on cold ones

Are special characters allowed? I am wanting to bring a new lord choice.

Great event, it was well ran. I had a ton of fun! Great people, great looking armies, just an all around great atmosphere.

Yup, banner of world dragon gives you a 2+ for saves against miscasts. I do believe though that you don't get MR for miscast saves.

Looking for a good tank monster? My first choice would be the mammoth.

I'm in on this one.

I won't be there this weekend.

The cool part about is that each region gets to decide what the qualifying factors are. It doesn't have to be based off who is always winning with the hardests lists out there. I love our formats and we should continue to use those as qualifying factors. It will force people tyring to use "our" events as a gateway to have to adapt to our community. We promote strong bonds through sportsmanship above all other things, this is something I take pride in. I love that we can all come together and play friendlier games I know I can be rough at times, but heck, I still love this community and wouldn't leave it for another one. I will say that I have to agree with one thing. If you place 1st in an event, you should get an invitation. If none of you have watched the masters coverage, there does need to be some competitive representation. However, the south region did some great things by sending the 1st place winners as well as seleceted individuals who would represent the region and not themselves on the table.

AWESOME, we are finally in!

Fair enough.

No, you don't get killing blow on a 5+. Shadowblade isn't worth his points. Most skaven assassin builds are better than he is. I mention him because he's the only assassin with both upgrades.

Now that organ guns are now 30", by all means deploy that helblaster sideways.

Oh, I guess I just haven't seen O n' G chariot units.

Where does it say that it doesn't. MI says ranks, MC doens't say ranks. However, I will say that I am extremely glad you can ALSO read. This is just a conversation, no need to take it personal. I don't use MI or MC, so I can actually care less on the final outcome. I am just looking into this for the knowledge and nothing else.

Ok, I've re-read the rule. This is something I am going to discuss in person with several people this weekend. The wording is different for MI and MC.