PumpkinHead Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Over on dakkadakka I was reading a tyranid bat rep and saw this picture. You can see the Crone in the bottom right, and it is modeled with Crone facing along the minor axis. Where as in the top left of the picture you see another crone/harpy with it facing along the major axis of the base. Is changing the direction of the base considered modeling for advantage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I don't see an advantage, but it is annoying as a drunk grot to those of us who care about consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Do they have them modeled two different ways to help differentiate harpy and crone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The advantage is in vector striking. The model has to clear the unit so the threat range is longer. And yes it's modelling for advantage. To what extent and whether it requires a ruling or shunning is a matter of opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.MoreTanks Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's not really, as the whole model counts for determining vector strikes and the wings go out further than the base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 For my flying vehicles, where I place the stand is largely a matter of weight and balance for the stand. I haven't seen the kit, but is the placement of the stand dictated in the assembly instructions? If not, my opinion is that it's not modeling for advantage, at least not anymore than choosing the lowest stand for your skimmers and jetbikes is modeling for advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 A few weeks ago I looked through the rulebook trying to find a rule that defines and/or prohibits "modeling for advantage", but had no luck. Is there an actual rule that prevents me from modeling all of my Space Marines in a prone position, or is it legal but more of a "good luck finding games" thing? Just to be clear - I have no intentions of doing this! I just want to be adequately prepared if I run a tournament and a player has prone Space Marines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 MFA is not a rule it is a player convention. Just like 'No punching people in the pee pee [mod edit ]' is not a rule, but a player convention. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusRedwings Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you have to ask then it probably is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusRedwings Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just like 'No punching people in the dick' is not a rule, but a player convention. Hold on! That isn't a rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 BTW, Pretre, I edited that one. couldn't resist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 BTW, Pretre, I edited that one. couldn't resist Pee pee? Serious? :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 That is the first time I have seen that size base modeled in that fashion and figured I would get people opinion on it. There is nothing showing or stating which direction a base should face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I still think it's odd that the wings count for vector strike, but not for LOS to the model. -Pax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psilence Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If the model is mounted on the base it was supplied with, at the right height for enemy shooting/targeting, I'd have to say its fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Wait, really? The wings count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGerbil Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The wings count as part of the hull for flyers, they do not count for LOS for anything else. I thought the base had to cross the squad for vector strikes. Really that guy should fix his flying bases. (Half formed joke about Burk messing with pee pees) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Vector strikes are off of the base... wings don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 He doesn't need to fix his bases because under flying monstrous creatures and swooping it says to pick a spot on the base to be the front for purposes of the 90 degrees you only have to remain consistent so using the rules he could state the long side is the spot any way. I like it; means he has a harder time landing between things... Pros and cons gentlemen pros and cons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I couldn't care less if it looks awesome. I bet the player probably doesn't invoke any advantages when he plays. So really, it's the player you gotta' look at, not the model. I play an Eldar guy who likes to "low sling" his Wave Serpents and doesn't like to take the bases off when its immobilized and I think frankly that he knows exactly the impact it will have and fully intends to invoke that advantage. But if another player had low slung Wave Serpents and never took the bases off but always said "Sure, it's on a base, so it would be higher, take the shot" or "okay so since my base is gone, I dont think I can see that target" then I'd say "cool looking models bro!" It's in the intent, for me. I generally ask that I be allowed to actually MAKE the mistake before someone judges me for it.. "Yeah but he COULDA" means nothing to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Vector strikes are off of the base... wings don't count. FAQed? The BRB says model, not base. This came up recently and my scouts got vectored from wings, not the base. I'd love to know if I'm wrong here. -Pax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimThom Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 There is nothing that says those bases need to be a certain way the weight that model is more east/west and not north/south. May have to rotate my flyer bases so they don't have to come in as far turn 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 There is nothing that says those bases need to be a certain way the weight that model is more east/west and not north/south. May have to rotate my flyer bases so they don't have to come in as far turn 2. Even if the base is turned, you still have to clear the hull so it doesn't overhang the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 FAQed? The BRB says model, not base. This came up recently and my scouts got vectored from wings, not the base. I'd love to know if I'm wrong here. -Pax You are right, it does say model... I have always played the base. Interesting, that now brings up a much larger footprint for them to be able to vector strike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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