InfestedKerrigan Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 http://astropate.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/nuovi-cavalieri-grigi-lista.html pts list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 But considering that they have only gotten two physical books, being in just one of them is not exactly a tiny fraction.But they've had five lists:C:sob Black book C:WD C:wh C:WD 2 C:as The nature of the army is to not have printed books. You can hardly call the inquisition period indicative of their whole list just because it happened to see print. Under that justification, Frateris Militia are an integral part of the army (despite showing up in only one book). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 From Grot Orderly: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Wow, that's really cool. Probably worth losing Ob-Sec over, honestly. Deep strike turn 1, shoot, then run. Neat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Is it just me or does 7E just keep getting better and better? Even MORE deployment Shenanigans for Me? More more more more more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 It does imply that GK can field non-GK units in their codex, hence why they are banned for this detachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 It does imply that GK can field non-GK units in their codex, hence why they are banned for this detachment. Nah, all the special Detachments from the new Dexes are worded like that. The SW ones say that only SW Faction Units can be included, etc. It just means that, unlike, say, a CAD, you can only use it for GK, not for other Armies. At this point, there aren't any Detachments that I'm aware of that can include Units from more than one Faction, but it's possible that they might introduce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 The nature of the army is to not have printed books. You can hardly call the inquisition period indicative of their whole list just because it happened to see print. Under that justification, Frateris Militia are an integral part of the army (despite showing up in only one book). Considering that Witch Hunters was their longest-running book, I don't think it's unreasonable to call it their "major" one. And while I know you seem to like their current incarnation, that attitude is well in the minority amongst players of the army (and players in general.) The only reason the "nature of the army is not to have printed books" is because GW has chosen to half-a** them time and time again, which is hardly a selling point for the faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Don't know about that. The majority of SOB players I talk to enjoy the new book. Although you do have a point about it being the longest serving book. It still wasn't their codex though, it was the witch hunter codex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 As a player with a decent sisters army I have to agree with Pretre. Even in witch hunters I ignored inquisition while embracing echlesarchy units. Read their fluff, the hunters books were mild failures at trying to bring inquisition into the game by bolting them on to other overly specialised imperial groups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 As a player with a decent sisters army I have to agree with Pretre. Even in witch hunters I ignored inquisition while embracing echlesarchy units. Read their fluff, the hunters books were mild failures at trying to bring inquisition into the game by bolting them on to other overly specialised imperial groups. I was the opposite, fielding only Inquisition, without GK nor sisters. I had some fun in the past, but it is very much an abolished list. Stormtroopers are now the Minitarium Tempestus (all original transport options lost), with some Inquisition in it's own book, some in the GK book, some in data slates, and some just lost or changed to the point where they are unrecognizable. It does seem like GW crushes the armies that are most fun to play/make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Sisters forever man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Inquisition as an army is meh...but Inquisitors are awesome! Agreed they keep trying to figure out how to bring them in, I think their current setup is the best so far. Allows for heavy inquisition (take multiple inquisition book detachments and a few other things...) or just a single inquisitor! He can even be the warlord all by himself... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yeah, the current version of inquisitors is, to me, the best ever. I've always loved the IDEA of Inquisitors, but only until 6th was I able to use them how I wanted. The new idea for Assassins is also ideal to me. I'll wait to see if they are efficient, and, if they are, plan on adding them to my IG army. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Well, my problem is essentially twofold: tournaments don't generally allow just taking all the detachments you want, so the small size of the Inquisition detachment is very limiting to me. And the lack of ANY command benefits for it also feels rather needlessly punishing- it would have been trivial to make the old rules for "if you do these these models are scoring" into giving them Objective Secured instead, but GW chose not to do it (even though they did it for units like Pedro Kantor and his Sternguard.) I realize that's not an issue for everyone, but in combination with the loss of Psychic Pilot, it means that I went from having a fun and unique army that I could run casually or competitively to having something that was illegal at most tournaments and ineffective otherwise. It's great that you can bring a solo Inquisitor to lead other armies, but there's a bunch of needlessly-limiting stuff going on as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Inquisitors don't own while armies. I'm sorry that the way you built stuff was for ridiculously huge amounts of henchmen but realistically a single inquisitor thing plus any other army cad should be enough for tourneys and for fun play you are easily covered. If you want more detachments bitch to the tourney organizers not about GWs choices as the tourneys are what's screwing you not GW... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 When was the loss of Psychic Pilot confirmed? Last I heard those army builder shots were from an earlier version of the dex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Preorders up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Draigo's 245 and a LOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Well, my problem is essentially twofold: tournaments don't generally allow just taking all the detachments you want, so the small size of the Inquisition detachment is very limiting to me. And the lack of ANY command benefits for it also feels rather needlessly punishing- it would have been trivial to make the old rules for "if you do these these models are scoring" into giving them Objective Secured instead, but GW chose not to do it (even though they did it for units like Pedro Kantor and his Sternguard.) I realize that's not an issue for everyone, but in combination with the loss of Psychic Pilot, it means that I went from having a fun and unique army that I could run casually or competitively to having something that was illegal at most tournaments and ineffective otherwise. It's great that you can bring a solo Inquisitor to lead other armies, but there's a bunch of needlessly-limiting stuff going on as well. Yeah, my IG/SM/Inq/IA army isn't legal in most tournaments. :( I feel this pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrizic Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 it seems GW is handing out the 4th ed CSM treatment to SM chapters. Kinda sad, I don't like the homogenization of the codex's. I didn't like it then and I don't like it know. I likes MOAR flavors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 it seems GW is handing out the 4th ed CSM treatment to SM chapters. Kinda sad, I don't like the homogenization of the codex's. I didn't like it then and I don't like it know. I likes MOAR flavors I don't see that at all. The SW codex is a great new book. We lost some of the fiddly wargear and that's about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I think he is talking about the Grey Knights losing all their non-Grey Knight stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I think he is talking about the Grey Knights losing all their non-Grey Knight stuff. Yeah, and I was giving a counterpoint of how they didn't do that. It isn't like GK are losing their actual chapter stuff, just the inquisition, which already has its own codex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Frankly, I think the SW codex has gotten too weird. Thunderwolves are just too kooky IMO. While I appreciate why some would like them, they bug me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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