Torg Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think eldar is getting at revise simply to bring it in line with the DE / and new Harlequin Codex. And as stated already in the thread - formations - etc. Hope its just simple tweaks or rules modifications. My OFCC army list worked out mostly - but now I may have to revisit it after the codex drops. -d 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahad911 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Any clue "Why Eldar"? Because it is OMG WTF broken compared to anything released since 7th dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Because it is OMG WTF broken compared to anything released since 7th dropped. Not really. They just need to drop the 0 on the Serpent Shield range and we'd be pretty okay. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahad911 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Not really. They just need to drop the 0 on the Serpent Shield range and we'd be pretty okay. :) I know I was overstating it, but still. It's clearly an outlier as far as power levels go, given the releases of this edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I know I was overstating it, but still. It's clearly an outlier as far as power levels go, given the releases of this edition. Completely agreed. I think nerfing the WS will go a long way to fixing Codex: Eldar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah, really, the only BROKEN element of the Eldar Dex is the Wave Serpent and the Howling Banshees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah, really, the only BROKEN element of the Eldar Dex is the Wave Serpent and the Howling Banshees. And they could both be fixed in a single stroke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Eldar are likely getting redone to remove the harlies from the book, so eldar players must purchase that harly book to field them. Beyond that, I really hope it's an excuse to make plastic kits for some or all of the eldar aspect warriors. It's really long overdue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm shocked that so many people naively believe GW is redoing these books to address balance issues. Any balance changes will be purely happenstance. GW discovered that Decurion style formations promote model sales, that's why any book not including such formation is up for a do-over. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torg Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm shocked that so many people naively believe GW is redoing these books to address balance issues. Any balance changes will be purely happenstance. GW discovered that Decurion style formations promote model sales, that's why any book not including such formation is up for a do-over. TRUTH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah, really, the only BROKEN element of the Eldar Dex is the Wave Serpent and the Howling Banshees. Move the 0 from the Serpent Shield to one of the Banshee's stats and we're good to go. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm shocked that so many people naively believe GW is redoing these books to address balance issues. Any balance changes will be purely happenstance. GW discovered that Decurion style formations promote model sales, that's why any book not including such formation is up for a do-over. I agree that it'll all be happenstance, but we can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Any clue "Why Eldar"? the vitriol over Serpent Shields alone might justify a clean up, though I will be honest, I have really loved all the new generation of codex's pretty much to this point. I wont be sorry to see the Wave Shield changed to explicitly BEING a weapon and probably an 18 inch weapon. but other than that I like the codex and have liked most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generalripphook Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 They could always make it two separate upgrades. One being the weapon the other being the defensive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan-of-War Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 i think the Serpent Shield should launch Banshees anywhere w/in 24" and then they could still assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thing about the serpent shields being a weapon is that they aren't represented on the model very well. I would not be surprised if the serpent shields lost their shooting attack altogether. It being unmodeled would make it very easy for GW to ditch it. Ideally, GW should remove the serpent shields altogether and give them the eldar titan holofields. They'd still be very impressive defensively. It would also make the jump to Revenant titan seem more reasonable to non-FW players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 The best solution for SS is to drop the 0. There's a large body of thought that says that was a typo anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Agreed. With 6" range, the shields become MUCH more manageable and sensible. Howling Banshees just need a bonus to their charge distance and their masks need to work as grenades as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Bam, we just fixed C: Eldar. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I traded all my banshees a few weeks ago. They just don't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I traded all my banshees a few weeks ago. They just don't work for me. Good news, they'll have a plastic kit in 10 years and you can replace them. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 At which point they will still be bad at killing MEQs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah, they just REALLY lack. I'm not sure what it would take to make them viable. Maybe AP2 power swords and furious charge as well as all the other changes mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crono Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 So, I think it would be appropriate for the SS to be adjusted. However, if anything... I would expect it to become a "once per game" use wargear versus altering the range or the mechanic. That is assuming the marketing department doesn't simply present the sales figures to the executives before the book went to press. I wouldn't expect to see a mechanical change outside of that. Although, my thought is that, the serpent is simply going to be made more expensive. From codex gone by, the GW answer to complaints like this (whenever the did respond via a codex change) was to make things more expensive both in dollars and points. Also, from my experience at Adepticon... against well designed lists, I had to save the shield a lot to prevent dropping melta's, las cannons, and a number of decent answers from simply shooting me off the board. That alone balanced out the use of the SS against many of the lists that were brought to the event. Still crazy good, but it was really needed against the more well rounded lists. I don't really think that the change is required compared to what I saw and experienced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 My bet is that Serpent Shields will just become AP1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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