pretre Posted June 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 So I've already got an FAQ question.... If I kill Celestine with mind worm, does sap will carry over to her next incarnation? Same as the entropic strike question, etc. Never been answered by GW for what... 4 editions. Here's a thread from 2012: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450362.page Inconclusive. Personally, I would play it as persistent between incarnations of Celestine. ITC has ruled that same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Did a quick scan for detachment, formation or squadron rules description from the glossary. Lots of Deep Strike turn 2+, Reserve and Overwatch. Fire Discipline Unless they are jinking. All models in the formation have Grim Resolve rule count as BS 3 instead of BS 2 when they shoot in overwatch. Attack Squadron If Ravenwing Land Speeder or Vengeance from this formation scores one of more hit in the shooting phase againts an enemy unit. All model from this formation's Ravenwing Bike Squad, Ravenwing Attack Bike Squad add 1 to their BS when shooting at the same target for the rest of the phase. Capture Run When making a Bombing Run with stasis bomb of this formation's Ravenwing dark Talon, do not rol for scatter; stasis bomb hits automatically. Enemy model that suffer an unsaved Wound from the stasis bomb must roll 2 dice and pick the highest result when taking Initiative Test to see if they are removed as casualty. In VP game Slay The Warlord secondary obj. is worth D3 additional point if the enemy Warlord was removed as a casualty as a result of Capture Run. Company Support If a Lion's Blade Strike Force includes 2 Battle Demi-Companies. Any unit from Battle Company that has the option to take Rhino, Razorback or Drop pod may do so for free. *must pay for additional upgrades and options as normal Deathwing Assault All unit must be placed in Deep Strike Reserve. Make secret note after determining Warlord Traits. Deathwing Redemption Force in your army to arrive your turn 2,3 or 4. All units in the formation arrive at the start of the chosen turn. Venerable in Drop Pod automatically arrives at the start of the chosen turn, and ignore normal rules that determine when a Drop Pod arrives. Deathwing A model with this special rule has the Fearless and Hatred (Chaos Space Marine) special rule. Fighter Escort Make a single roll for this entire Formation during reserve rolls. You can re-roll. On a successful Reserve Roll, all of the units in this Formation arrive from Reserve. First Huntsman If this detachment is your primary Detachment, you can reroll the result when rolling on the Dark Angels Warlord Traits table. First Knight of Caliban If this detachment is your primary Detachment, you can reroll the result when rolling on the Dark Angels Warlord Traits table. Grim Resolve Stubborn and unless Jinking, count their BS as 2 when firing Overwatch. Hammer the Heretics This Formation's Techmarine begin the game embarked upon this formation Land Raider/Crusader/Redeemer. While the Techmarine from this formation is embarked upon the Transport vehicle from this formation, that vehicle has BS increased to 5. Killshot While this unit includes 3 Predators, all Predators have the Monster Hunter and Tank Hunter special rule. Linebreaker Bombardment While this unit includes 3 Vindicators that can all fire their demolisher cannons, the unit can fire a single Linebreaker Bombardment instead of firing normally. Nominate one model in the unit as the firer. The firer's demolisher cannon changes its type from Large Blast to Apocalyptic Blast and gains Ignores Cover special rule. Might of the Lion All vehicles in this formation must form a single vehicle squadron. Count as 2 units when calculating VP if it's completely destroyed. Ravenshield When an enemy unit declares a charge against a friendly unit with the Ravenwing special rule, Models in this formation within 24" of that friendly unit can choose to fire Overwatch against the charging unit. (Even if the vehicle cannot normally fire overwatch). Templace Weapons can only use the Wall of Death special rule if they are within 6" of the friendly unit. Units can only still Overwatch once per turn. Ravenwing Re-roll failed cover saves when it jinks Speed of the Raven During first turn (or second if the unit in this Detachment were placed in Reserve), any units from this Detachment that Turbo-boost or move Flat Out count as Jinking until next turn. However, units from this detachment that do so can still fire their guns normally in your next turn; they do not have to fire Snap Shots. Strike as One All units in the detachment must either be placed in Reserve or deplyed as normal. If placed in Reserve, all units in this Detachment automatically arrive at the start of your second turn. Summon the Deathwing Friendly units composed entirely of models with the Deathwing special rule do not scatter when they deep strike. As long as the first model is placed within 12" of a model from this Formation. A model from this Formation must have been on the battlefield at the start of the turn for it to work. Summoned to War All units in this detachment must begin the game in Deep Strike Reserve. If your army includes a Ravenwing Attack Squadron or Ravenwing Strike Force, you can choose to automaticlly pass or fail any reserve rolls you make for units in this Detachment; there is no need to roll. Support Squadron All vehicles in this Formation must form a single Vehicle Squadron. Count as 2 units when calculating VP if it's completely destroyed. Suppressive Bombardment Whilst this unit include 3 Whirlwinds, each model's Whirlwind Multiple Missile Launcher has the Pinning and Shred special rules. Supreme Fire Discipline Unless Jinking, all models in this formation that have the Grim Resolve special rule fire Overwatch using their normal Ballistic Skill characteristic. Take the fight to the enemy Units from this Formation can either shoot and then run, or run and then shoot, in the shooting phase of the turn they arrive by Deep Strike. Anti-grav Upwash While it include at least 3 Ravewning Land Speeder, it can move an additional 6" when mvoing Flat Out. I hope terminator point cost are lower because from the Terminator Weapons List Replace storm bolter with one of the following: Combi-flamer 5pts Combi-Melta 5pts Combi-Plasma 5pts Lightning Claw 10pts Thunder Hammer 25pts Replace power weapon with one of the following Lightning claw 5 pts Storm Shield 5 pts Power Fist 10 pts Chainfist 15 pts Thunder Hammer 15pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Replace storm bolter with one of the following: Combi-flamer 5pts Combi-Melta 5pts Combi-Plasma 5pts Lightning Claw 10pts Thunder Hammer 25pts Replace power weapon with one of the following Lightning claw 5 pts Storm Shield 5 pts Power Fist 10 pts Chainfist 15 pts Thunder Hammer 15pts Hoping for 20pt terminators.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Hoping for 20pt terminators.... That might be too cheap, 30 would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 5 point Storm Shields available to everyone is pretty baller in my book. Of course that's more because they look awesome with shields than any real gameplay reason. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 3++ is pretty baller too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonVilkee Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 That would make a weird termie, trades power weapon for the shield. So storm Bolter shield guy is only 5 points more. 15 points more if you go shield and lightning claw. Course cheap ish wound chump is handy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 That's the list of options for Characters, not regular Termies, I'm pretty sure. I'm kind of curious why the Storm Shield is 5 Points here as a swap, while it's a free swap for SW Termies. The only thing I've heard that might explain it is supposedly ICs can only benefit from the DW Knights Wall of Shields rule if they also have a Storm Shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Nope just read, there still in @ two points cheaper... Honestly I really don't feel that's enough given the nerf to rad grenades. Where did you read this? Last I heard, only the index had leaked, not the dataslates. Over on SpikeyBits (http://www.spikeybits.com/2015/06/new-rules-dark-angels-vehicle-leaks.html) Most of it is stuff we've already heard here. A few pieces are new. Deathwing Knights are AP3 base. Smite changed to basically a smash attack, convert all attacks to 1 str X2 ap 2 attack, but no longer one use only. Knight Masters Flail gained fleshbane. All Ravenwing units reroll failed jink saves. That's all bikes, speeders, and jets Terminators down 20 points for the squad. Sergeants can now take lightning claws or th/ss. Ravenwing bikers down 2 points, 25 each now Black Knights are down 2 points, 40 each now Rad grenades nerfed. No longer reduce T by 1. The cause 2 wounds on a wound roll of 6 regardless of toughness. Darkshroud now has 3 hull points. Assault cannon upgrade cost reduced by a melta bomb. Icon of old caliban now grants stealth and fear to all units within 6 inches. In addition, if a friendly unit declares a charge within 6 inches of a Darkshroud, they cannot be overwatched Vengeance is now 120. Also given 3 hull points. Assault cannon upgrade reduced by a melta bomb. Plasma Storm Battery is now 36" range. Nephilim was given missile lock back. Blacksword missiles are now str 7 AP 3. Costs 170 points Dark Talons rift cannon is now str 10 ap 2 blind blast. On a scatter roll of any double, it gains the vortex rule. Stasis bomb has the same effect as before. In addition, models hit by it must pass an initiative test or be removed from play. Cost is 160. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Deathwing Strike Force Obligatory 1 HQ 2 Elite Optional 2 HQ 10 Elite Only units with Deathwing SR or dedicated transports. Ven Dread Units may only include 1 model and must use a Drop Pod. Bring the fight to the Enemy: Can shoot and run or run and shoot when arriving via Deep Strike First Knight of Caliban: If primary detachment, reroll warlord trait. Summoned to War: Must start in Deep Strike reserve. If your army contains a RW Attack Squad or a Ravenwing Strike force, you may choose to have them arrive automatically. ---- Ravenwing Strike Force Obligatory 1 HQ 2 Fast Attack Optional 2 HQ 1 Elite 10 Fast Attack 3 Heavy Support All units must have the Ravenwing SR. First Hunter: If primary, reroll warlord trait. Speed of the Raven: All units may turbo boost and are considered jinking until your next turn. May fire weapons normally. United Assault: All units must be either placed in reserve or be deployed normally. If in reserve, all units arrive automatically. There we go, there come the Black Knights. Up to 12 units of them should be enough for anyone, though not in The Lion's Blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Battle Demi Company: Objective Secured Fire Discipline: Fire Overwatch with BS 3 if model has Grim Resolve --- DW Redemption Force: Same Shoot and Run rule. Deathwing Assault in turn 2,3,4, including Dreads in Pods. Also preferred Enemy(CSM). RW Attack Squadron: Scout Only one LS in the unit allowed. Attack Squad: If the land Speeder or LS Vengeance scores a HIT, other models add 1 to their BS Summon the Deathwing: Basically a 12" Teleport Homer! ----- RW Support Squad At least 3 Landspeeders Interceptor! Strafing run! Grim Resolve Ravenshield: within 24" friendly units can fire overwatch, even vehicles! Support Squad: Counts as 2 units if squadron is destroyed. --- RW Silence Squad Capture Run (read it for yourselfs, too much to type, was already leaked :P) Fighter Escort: Rerollable reserve roll for the entire formation. Automatically Appended Next Post: If the Shoot and Run and DW assault are tied to the formation' date=' then I am wondering what non-formation Deathwing will have to set them apart from basic Termies/make up the extra points over C:SM ones. Fearless and Hatred doesn't seem worth 5 points to me, so I do hope they keep the TL-on-drop ability and Split Fire. Ravenwing, on the other hand, seem insane with that formation. It seems they can Turbo-boost, fire and count as jinking all in one turn; is that a one-use thing or can they keep doing it?[/quote'] They keep Split Fire for sure. The Raventhingy is only in their first turn and they can't fire when they Turbo-boost. So it's a "next turn" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Pointcosts will follow later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cadaver2k Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Can anyone make out if bikes are out of the special items section, as in can a generic IC take a bike or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I don't see bike in the special gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pretre Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Looks like Auspex. Meltabomb, Storm Shield, Digital Weapons, Jump Pack, Conversion Field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Looks like that power fist will be pretty easy to replace with something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Can anyone make out if bikes are out of the special items section, as in can a generic IC take a bike or no? They are in the individual entries for Librarians and Chaplains at least. I didn't look closely at everything, but I know I saw them there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadaver2k Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Ok thanks guys, I was wondering mainly for my Libby. By the way, how many point was it for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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