Talonwinter Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 My hands have been really shaky for the last few days, so I'm not exactly happy with the results I've got, but once I slap some grass powder on a couple dozen more bases, it'll all meet the tournament requirements. Then it's just pack it all up and hit the sack. Just rapping up mine as well. All most forgot my lictor. Poor guy was feeling Stealthy with his shade gray.lol See you in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 BOOM! I even had 10 minutes to spare. 12 technically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinHead Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Lol, true. I had to confirm my weekend plans with the guys fell thru, then contact lord Happy to let me sign up, and then make a list and have it turned in by 5. I didn't get home from work until 4. It was a fun afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Winners make it happen. You made it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgosaurusrex Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Just finished my painting, I think it's time for bed! See you guys in the morning :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 It IS morning! And the time for preparations is at an end. It is now time to wage war on a scale never before seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatsman Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 "Prepare for battle." -Gandalf- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonwinter Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Love it when lunch comes to me. I get to have Wolf for breakfast. They are even bring tooth picks for afterwards. So thoughtful of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 So AP won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonwinter Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 eldar won in both of the two brackets. Two drastically different list. Ap said he was there to make a point on some type of princable. He told everyone that his list was a pure jerk list and he didn't seam embarrassed about it in the lest. Not really understanding what the point he was trying to make personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 eldar won in both of the two brackets. Two drastically different list. Ap said he was there to make a point on some type of princable. He told everyone that his list was a pure jerk list and he didn't seam embarrassed about it in the lest. Not really understanding what the point he was trying to make personally. The point he was trying to make, and I'm putting words in his mouth I'm sure he'll say it himself, is that 'unmodified 40k' is broken as heck. ITC is a very good medium for removing the kind of lists that he played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Keep in mind AP likes this game and his intent is not to ruin it but to make it better. At least that is the impression I get from him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Keep in mind AP likes this game and his intent is not to ruin it but to make it better. At least that is the impression I get from him. I did not mean to give that impression or to give a poor impression of AP. He's a great player and member of the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 What I was really impressed by is my buddy Nathaniel taking third in the second bracket. He's only been playing since some time in July, so I thought that was really cool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Bigglesworth Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretre sorry I am posting from pc first time in like a year, and didn't quote right. I meant comment towards Talon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 What I was really impressed by is my buddy Nathaniel taking third in the second bracket. He's only been playing since some time in July, so I thought that was really cool. How'd you do, WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bang Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Were the two top eldar lists the only lists to have Super heavy/Gargantuan creatures? I can't recall seeing any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Unless someone brought a stompa, I don't think there were many ways to get SH/Gargs in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 I find it interesting that people keep describing my an Alex's lists as "couldn't have been more different in approach" even though we both ran large numbers of Scatter Bikes (he had 15, I had 18), both ran Farseers, both ran Wraithknights, and both ran Warp Spiders. True, he used the 600pts I spent on my extra two Wraithknights to buy a wide assortment of other units, but our core lists were actually very, very similar. Ap said he was there to make a point on some type of princable. He told everyone that his list was a pure jerk list and he didn't seam embarrassed about it in the lest. Not really understanding what the point he was trying to make personally. Pretre essentially got it, but to use my own words: I don't think allowing multiple superheavies/GCs is a good idea in this format. Heck, I think you could make a decent argument for banning the Wraithknight entirely because it's such an insanely hard thing to kill (in two of my four games, not a single Wraithknight died) and so many factions simply have no way of handling it- however, that is setting an unpleasant precedent and I can understand why LH would be hesitant to do it. I would like to see tournaments use systems and list-writing constraints that are as fair and balanced for everyone as possible. I'd like lots of different factions and armies to have a shot at winning because diversity is good. When I see systems that don't promote this- or, worse yet, reward the opposite- I'll argue against them. But, if it comes down to it, the most convincing argument is results, and that's why I do things like bring the triple-Wraithknight or the Turbo-Laser Warhound (for the 6E Escalation tournament I went to) because I feel that a lot of people who imagine a unit/strategy/etc to be entirely fair and handleable in a vacuum will feel very differently when they get direct play experience with it. Were the two top eldar lists the only lists to have Super heavy/Gargantuan creatures? I can't recall seeing any others. The only superheavies that could have been legal were the Obelisk, Tesseract Vault, Wraithknight and Stompa (although I guess theoretically the Stormsurge could have been for a Tau Ambassador who had registered really, really late and built/painted one in a hurry), and I know none of the Ork or Necron players brought LoW units. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 I could have brought a Lord of Skulls, but I couldn't find a list I liked with it. It just eats up way too many Points for what it does. How'd you do, WR? I took 5th in my bracket. Lost two games to the clock, and then picked up the other two pretty handily. With a moderately high model count, and a tendency for having lots of Combats going with multiple Init values, there can be a lot of fiddly bits that can chew up a lot of time. I do like the list, and I think for a faster player, it could be a pretty good one, but for me, it just doesn't really have the ability to compete with time limits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bang Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Not meaning any disrespect, but it seemed to give the eldar an edge. I certainly heard a couple other players mentioning it seemed a bit unfair. Might have made a house rule allowing a Lord of War choice for each army, on conversely disallowing lords altogether to level the playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't think that there's any question about it- the Eldar codex is just straight-up stronger that any of the others, especially considering the limits of the tournament. That's not to say Eldar are an automatic win, as playing poorly can always lose you the game, but between Str D weapons, Scatter Bikes, Wraithknights being vastly undercosted, abundant Rending, powerful psykers, excellent formations, and all the other stuff, Eldar are starting ten paces ahead of most armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bang Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Agreed. Again, not sour grapes, and hats off to you and Alex, but I hope Joe takes that into account for the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 All my tournaments have a 0-1 restriction on Super Heavies etc... This one will have in the future. I have always been notably against the escalation of the game and I anticipate ALSO having this restriction for the Ambassadorial Tournament in the future. This has nothing to do with the results. There was a built in mission downside to taking three WraithKnights. I strongly feel that the General decides the outcome. We have proof that a 0-1 restriction would not stop an Eldar general from performing because one did! But I am not def nor blind. A 0-1 restriction on super heavies would encourage ever more REPRESENTATIVE forces and THAT is the strongest argument of all for a tournament like this that strives for that goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think simply adopting some itc could help a lot. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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