Space Marines hit with teh Nef Bat HARD!

[Tamwulf]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/246fca2d.pdf
Turn 1- Devastator Doctrine. Turn 2, Tactical Doctrine. Turn 3, can stay in Tactical, or switch to Assault. Turn 4 and beyond: Assault doctrine.
Delete Adaptive Strategy Stratagem (the one that lets you swap the doctrines).
The real gut punch: The benefits you gain from the AP of the doctrines no longer stacks with any other rule.

Soups back on the menu boys! LOL

[Ish]

Because nothing says “ultimate masters of tactics able to adapt to battlefield conditions on a moments notice to exploit any weakness in the enemy’s battle plan” like having fixed tactics that you use in the same order during every fight. 

[MexicanNinja]

I like the doctrine change but I don't agree with getting rid of the start.

[PumpkinHead]

I think it helps level the playing field a lot. Making it more in lines of what other armies get, like reduce damage by 1, or passing off wounds but not on vehicles.  No stacking AP is kind of odd, as you can stack other buffs. 

[InfestedKerrigan]

We all know that this is in response to abusive tourney players. GW, even, says as much in their commentary.  No more deepstriking cents.  No more Immortal IH Dreads. 

[Munkie]

4 hours ago, Ish said:

Because nothing says “ultimate masters of tactics able to adapt to battlefield conditions on a moments notice to exploit any weakness in the enemy’s battle plan” like having fixed tactics that you use in the same order during every fight. 

That's true. But there's also nothing less tactical than pointing at a rule and saying "this unit shoots better now".

"Be more efficient." Why didn't I think of that tactic??

[Lord Hanaur]

They did it in a way that makes sense.  They are trained to " do it this way".  Its like "fire your muskets and then affix bayonets!

[Ish]

59 minutes ago, Munkie said:

That's true. But there's also nothing less tactical than pointing at a rule and saying "this unit shoots better now".

"Be more efficient." Why didn't I think of that tactic??

 

[andy]

5 hours ago, Ish said:

Because nothing says “ultimate masters of tactics able to adapt to battlefield conditions on a moments notice to exploit any weakness in the enemy’s battle plan” like having fixed tactics that you use in the same order during every fight. 

Blame Guilliman and his Codex Astartes. Dorn wanted to keep his Legion and ways of war, but nooooooo.

[CountElmdor]

7 hours ago, Tamwulf said:

The real gut punch: The benefits you gain from the AP of the doctrines no longer stacks with any other...

I think this has been the case from the beginning with Doctrines. Or at least the errata that followed immediately after the new codex release. 

I play White Scars, who excel in the assault doctrine, so the changes are fairly inconsequential for me. It may even be a buff in a perverse way, since I’ll be in my element from turn 3 on, while other chapters get only one to two turns in theirs. 

[Munkie]

1 hour ago, Ish said:

 

Some finely drilled Mordian Ironguard there 😉

[Ish]

1 hour ago, Munkie said:

Some finely drilled Mordian Ironguard there 😉

Those are members of a Praetorian Guard regiment, the Mordian Iron Guard wear a peaked cap.

[Munkie]

19 minutes ago, Ish said:

Those are members of a Praetorian Guard regiment, the Mordian Iron Guard wear a peaked cap.

I can't keep them straight. They all look the same on the inside.

[Ish]

12 minutes ago, Munkie said:

I can't keep them straight. They all look the same on the inside.

That's because they're filled with love of the God-Emperor!