michaels Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 more vote for Bracket 2 playoffs! Also, I'd prefer a straight 2-1 admin win for the AI games. If you want me to rack up 6+td's in a game vs AI I guess that's fine but a bit boring. New teams should be grouped with new teams, if possible, with the lowest div 1 teams moving to div 2 & the best div 2 teams moving to div 1. I'm guessing you're already doing that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weav Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 No preference. I will destroy all teams. I have decided. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 hours ago, michaels said: 1 more vote for Bracket 2 playoffs! Also, I'd prefer a straight 2-1 admin win for the AI games. If you want me to rack up 6+td's in a game vs AI I guess that's fine but a bit boring. New teams should be grouped with new teams, if possible, with the lowest div 1 teams moving to div 2 & the best div 2 teams moving to div 1. I'm guessing you're already doing that though. Oooh, I like this idea. Relegation and promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, michaels said: 1 more vote for Bracket 2 playoffs! Also, I'd prefer a straight 2-1 admin win for the AI games. If you want me to rack up 6+td's in a game vs AI I guess that's fine but a bit boring. New teams should be grouped with new teams, if possible, with the lowest div 1 teams moving to div 2 & the best div 2 teams moving to div 1. I'm guessing you're already doing that though. I like this idea, but want to be clear that we dont have 7 new teams (or 6 if I put 8 in the upper). If I do this, do you have a suggestion for how to determine which of the returning teams goes in the lower? I can do it, but TV isnt the best determiner (considering coach level) and it might be more arbitrary......IE BURK decides. Also, it may not work very well after first year.....as a good coach may drop (with a bad season) to lower division. Another thoughts on playoffs. Instead of top 8 I could do top 6. 3 from each, and give the division leader a bye....thoughts? If I did that, I would do it as follows: Bracket 1: A1 - Bye A3 vs B2 Bracket 2: B1 - Bye B3 vs A2 Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Burk said: I like this idea, but want to be clear that we dont have 7 new teams (or 6 if I put 8 in the upper). If I do this, do you have a suggestion for how to determine which of the returning teams goes in the lower? I can do it, but TV isnt the best determiner (considering coach level) and it might be more arbitrary......IE BURK decides. Also, it may not work very well after first year.....as a good coach may drop (with a bad season) to lower division. Another thoughts on playoffs. Instead of top 8 I could do top 6. 3 from each, and give the division leader a bye....thoughts? If I did that, I would do it as follows: Bracket 1: A1 - Bye A3 vs B2 Bracket 2: B1 - Bye B3 vs A2 Thoughts? I think the top 4 from each bracket is cool. For relegation/delegation maybe move 2 from each div based on performance, not TV. So the top 2 from Div B would move to Div A. Bottom 2 from Div A move to Div B. If there's a team reroll they automatically move to Div B. This season (& probably every season) you don't have 7 brand new teams in which case you could pull the bottom performing teams from Div A to fill out the bracket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, michaels said: I think the top 4 from each bracket is cool. For relegation/delegation maybe move 2 from each div based on performance, not TV. So the top 2 from Div B would move to Div A. Bottom 2 from Div A move to Div B. If there's a team reroll they automatically move to Div B. This season (& probably every season) you don't have 7 brand new teams in which case you could pull the bottom performing teams from Div A to fill out the bracket. Im leaning towards top 3 so that the winner gets a bye and hence is rewarded with no new injuries. Toying if there is a way I can remove their MNG's without having an admin'd game.... Im wondering if I make the top division be 8 human teams and put any AI's in div 2...... interesting thoughts. Relegation will happen (only issue is if we have to many rerolls, that may cause relegation to always be 2.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 A bye is a pretty strong reward. Not a bad thing. But in BB, that also means one less MVP and fewer SPP's for them, along with fewer injuries. I have no issues with a bye. It's a strong incentive to finish first in the division. TV is not ideal due to coaching levels. I am totally fine with "Burk Decides" being the decisive factor. We have a comish and we vote by choosing to come back or not, and I think Mr. Burk has done an exceptional job. That said... I was tossing around the idea of promotion and relegation. Because I really think the NCAA should do this, but it will never happen. Anyway... I like the idea of the Swiss Draw, from back in my Magic The Gathering Pro Tour Days, where you always play someone your own skill level. It's just so straightforward. But it's almost not random enough to befit Blood Bowl. And I love promotin and relegation. So how about we get weird, just because we can. Two divisions. Scrubs and Pros, Burk decides with input from whom he wants. TV is not a factor. This way, the best get to beat up on each and the newbies and bad coaches get to beat up on each other. Six playoff teams. The two Division champs get a bye. Then the scrub team #2 and #3 match with the Pro team #3 and #2. It's an interesting dichotomy. It had the potential of the young upstarts trying to push into the "big time" while the "Pro" teams have to defend their status or lose to the obvious underdog. The narrative writes itself. You can then promote the scrub division winner and relegate the Pro team with the worst record. Or relegate two. But I think one would be enough, each season. The actual team or the Team Value is not a consideration. Simply record and/or Burk's opinion is enough for me. Regarding AI teams....scoring 6 TDs against them...I had an elf team beat me 6-0 and I was actually trying to win last season. I would love the opportunity to pad the stats against one team a season. Heck, one team last season conceded after the same Skink scored his fourth TD in turn 10 or 11. [big bad swear word] happens. The TV will balance itself, in the long run, so I have no issues with piling up SPPs against AI teams or against lesser coaches. Eventually, your TV will get so high that you are cutting players and your Stars become foul bait. If we're giving new teams three free games to get some SPPs - a decidedly good idea, I believe - then what's wrong with giving everyone a gimee gave against an AI opponent once a season? I really like the idea of lesser coaches playing in their own division and the division winner getting a bye on par with "better" coaches. It's a leg up. It's not necessarily "fair" but life is not supposed to be fair. If you're a coach who is not elite, it keeps you interested if you have a punchers chance in the playoffs. It's Blood Bowl. You never really know how the dice are going to fall. Hmm. Thought... Maybe the "scrub" division has two AI teams to bolster their SPPs and the "Pro" division has all human teams. Thoughts and ideas. So many ways we can make this happen. I love the possibilities. I don't want to get too confusing. It's easy to make things confusing and very difficult to make them simple. But I like the inclusion of one or two AI teams as SPP mines. I love promotion and relegation. I love the idea of a Pro and a Scrub league, define the titles as you wish. And I love the idea that those two divisions face each other in the playoffs. It's an "Us versus them" competition, but then of course the scrub division winner becomes a "them" next season. Of course, being a native Western New Yorker, I tend to love competition and don't abide to west coast levels of fairness or justice. Let's just have fun. Let's Play Some BloodBowl! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Spielmannsfluch said: Regarding AI teams....scoring 6 TDs against them...I had an elf team beat me 6-0 and I was actually trying to win last season. Yeah. I remember. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Burk said: Im leaning towards top 3 so that the winner gets a bye and hence is rewarded with no new injuries. Toying if there is a way I can remove their MNG's without having an admin'd game.... Im wondering if I make the top division be 8 human teams and put any AI's in div 2...... interesting thoughts. Relegation will happen (only issue is if we have to many rerolls, that may cause relegation to always be 2.) You'd have to give an admin concession in which case the team getting the bye doesn't get mvp's or gold. It just clears any MNG's. As it stands, it looks like more new teams than returning. If my numbers are right you've got 6 returning & 7 new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 Lizard teams get stronger over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Spielmannsfluch said: A bye is a pretty strong reward. Not a bad thing. But in BB, that also means one less MVP and fewer SPP's for them, along with fewer injuries. I have no issues with a bye. It's a strong incentive to finish first in the division. TV is not ideal due to coaching levels. I am totally fine with "Burk Decides" being the decisive factor. We have a comish and we vote by choosing to come back or not, and I think Mr. Burk has done an exceptional job. That said... I was tossing around the idea of promotion and relegation. Because I really think the NCAA should do this, but it will never happen. Anyway... I like the idea of the Swiss Draw, from back in my Magic The Gathering Pro Tour Days, where you always play someone your own skill level. It's just so straightforward. But it's almost not random enough to befit Blood Bowl. And I love promotin and relegation. So how about we get weird, just because we can. Two divisions. Scrubs and Pros, Burk decides with input from whom he wants. TV is not a factor. This way, the best get to beat up on each and the newbies and bad coaches get to beat up on each other. Six playoff teams. The two Division champs get a bye. Then the scrub team #2 and #3 match with the Pro team #3 and #2. It's an interesting dichotomy. It had the potential of the young upstarts trying to push into the "big time" while the "Pro" teams have to defend their status or lose to the obvious underdog. The narrative writes itself. You can then promote the scrub division winner and relegate the Pro team with the worst record. Or relegate two. But I think one would be enough, each season. The actual team or the Team Value is not a consideration. Simply record and/or Burk's opinion is enough for me. Regarding AI teams....scoring 6 TDs against them...I had an elf team beat me 6-0 and I was actually trying to win last season. I would love the opportunity to pad the stats against one team a season. Heck, one team last season conceded after the same Skink scored his fourth TD in turn 10 or 11. [big bad swear word] happens. The TV will balance itself, in the long run, so I have no issues with piling up SPPs against AI teams or against lesser coaches. Eventually, your TV will get so high that you are cutting players and your Stars become foul bait. If we're giving new teams three free games to get some SPPs - a decidedly good idea, I believe - then what's wrong with giving everyone a gimee gave against an AI opponent once a season? I really like the idea of lesser coaches playing in their own division and the division winner getting a bye on par with "better" coaches. It's a leg up. It's not necessarily "fair" but life is not supposed to be fair. If you're a coach who is not elite, it keeps you interested if you have a punchers chance in the playoffs. It's Blood Bowl. You never really know how the dice are going to fall. Hmm. Thought... Maybe the "scrub" division has two AI teams to bolster their SPPs and the "Pro" division has all human teams. Thoughts and ideas. So many ways we can make this happen. I love the possibilities. I don't want to get too confusing. It's easy to make things confusing and very difficult to make them simple. But I like the inclusion of one or two AI teams as SPP mines. I love promotion and relegation. I love the idea of a Pro and a Scrub league, define the titles as you wish. And I love the idea that those two divisions face each other in the playoffs. It's an "Us versus them" competition, but then of course the scrub division winner becomes a "them" next season. Of course, being a native Western New Yorker, I tend to love competition and don't abide to west coast levels of fairness or justice. Let's just have fun. Let's Play Some BloodBowl! @Spielmannsfluch I am leaning towards starting with all new teams in div 2 and existing teams in div 1. Right now we are split 7 new, 7 returning. This is important as you will not be in the same division as CountElmdor. Does this change your mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 same team as last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 It does not, Mr Burk. I want to avoid any Chaos team I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaels Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Spielmannsfluch said: It does not, Mr Burk. I want to avoid any Chaos team I can. Another case of not-enough-block! Why does everyone hate the best skill in the game? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Spielmannsfluch said: It does not, Mr Burk. I want to avoid any Chaos team I can. Ok, so you would be in the upper division then, and I would put count in lower. leaning that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, savion47 said: same team as last season. Thanks Shane. All that means we have 8 returning teams and 6 new teams. I can either do an even split of 7-7 per division, or 8 in the main div (all human) and 6 (plus 2 AI) in lower. If I do the 7-7, that means I will be making an executive decision which team to put in lower division. If I do 8-6, then lower div will have 2 AI opponents. Speak up if you have strong feelings either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 I'm gonna have strong feelings if I lose to the AI 2x in one season... with witnesses! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 Im building the new team's catch competitions. the teams below need to create their teams and advise me the team name. I will then send you a ticket to join your competition. Once you join, let me know and I will admin you 3 games for catchup. @Burk - BB2 team name: Ho Ho Ho's- BB2 name: Burk @Ish - BB2 team name: TBD- BB2 Name: Another Ish @Bosco - BB2 Team Name: Balloon-knot Bonanza - BB2 Name PDXBosco @peter.cosgrove - BB2 Team Name: TBD - BB2 Name: XXXX Teams below. Please look in BB2 for your teams ticket. join the competition I send to you and let me know when complete, so i can admin your games. @CountElmdor - BB2 Team Name: Lucavi - BB2 name: Elmdor @Russell Castronovo - BB2 Team Name: Goretown Gutsquishers - BB2 Name Daxer777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 My team name will be the “Silly English Khanigits,” although I’ll need to double check the spelling of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burk Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ish said: My team name will be the “Silly English Khanigits,” although I’ll need to double check the spelling of that. Please let me know as I dont see that team when I search. maybe you just need to create it still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savion47 Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 I will start a new team to even things out if that is easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 It’s actually “Silly English Khanighuts,” I really should have picked an easier spelling for my silly made-up word. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Burk said: Thanks Shane. All that means we have 8 returning teams and 6 new teams. I can either do an even split of 7-7 per division, or 8 in the main div (all human) and 6 (plus 2 AI) in lower. If I do the 7-7, that means I will be making an executive decision which team to put in lower division. If I do 8-6, then lower div will have 2 AI opponents. Speak up if you have strong feelings either way. Two AI teams seems excessive. The AI is really, really bad... Which two? Halflings and Goblins? Ogres and Vampires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, michaels said: Another case of not-enough-block! Why does everyone hate the best skill in the game? 😂 Block? What's that do? Is it any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielmannsfluch Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, savion47 said: I will start a new team to even things out if that is easier Halflings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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