pretre Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Can we not have the boob plate argument? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I want my Models to look like they could actually survive a fight. That seems like it should be a higher priority for Units in a WARgame. Also, it's possible to make Armour that's still noticeably feminine without being outright boob plate. Here are a few examples. Totally agree. But it's a GW thing. Just like how every vampire model has their fangs exposed... In all honesty, GW should just work females back into the SM fluff. No good excuse for the imperium being exclusively men. I also dislike how the sisters get a weaker statline than the male version of power armor soldiers of the 41st millenium. Seems like with all that genetic modification, you should have equally burly females in with the males. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Totally agree. But it's a GW thing. Just like how every vampire model has their fangs exposed... In all honesty, GW should just work females back into the SM fluff. No good excuse for the imperium being exclusively men. I also dislike how the sisters get a weaker statline than the male version of power armor soldiers of the 41st millenium. Seems like with all that genetic modification, you should have equally burly females in with the males. I actually have a blog post in progress about the Primarchs, Space Marines, and gender. There are some pretty interesting possibilities left open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I actually have a blog post in progress about the Primarchs, Space Marines, and gender. There are some pretty interesting possibilities left open. Definitely. Beyond that, provided your SM wear helmets, it would be pretty easy to have any male count as female without any real changes to the models. So for GW, they should just add it to fluff, then they could pretend that 40k SM isn't sexist and never has been. It would be so easy, and wouldn't require any real changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skkipper Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 With the whole STC construction, power armour would look like power armour. Boob army doesn't fit in so many levels except the sexist gamer realm!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 With the whole STC construction, power armour would look like power armour. Boob army doesn't fit in so many levels except the sexist gamer realm!! Well, the old RT 40k does have female SM models. Top left. Another 2nd row from the bottom, 1st model from the left. They're about $30 each on ebay. Basically, skinnier SM.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentP Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Um, what is standing behind the mags, to the right in the picture? It's looks huge, and not like anything currently released for AdMech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Um, what is standing behind the mags, to the right in the picture? It's looks huge, and not like anything currently released for AdMechSo far people think that it is artsy renderings of existing models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treads-n-Wings Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Sisters still have the Gothic look and the boob plates, I'm glad. Totally agree. But it's a GW thing. Just like how every vampire model has their fangs exposed... In all honesty, GW should just work females back into the SM fluff. No good excuse for the imperium being exclusively men. I also dislike how the sisters get a weaker statline than the male version of power armor soldiers of the 41st millenium. Seems like with all that genetic modification, you should have equally burly females in with the males. Part crunch part fluff response: Sisters get T3 because they haven't been genetically modified and beefed up from their teenage years like Space Marines have. It differentiates the armies as well; Marines are the elite strike force, Sisters (can be, and I think should be) more of a "horde of the faithful". Power armored nuns in numbers. Full fluff response: Having the Marines be a brotherhood (giant warrior monks) and the Sisters be a sisterhood (battle nuns) is a good balance of single-sex factions in 40k, and fits with the faith-and-war facet of the Imperium. Shoehorning female Marines in would not improve 40k and would only hurt it. (It also sounds like you're suggesting 40k gets an all-female army, but no all-male army counterpart. Sounds like Segmentum No Fun Allowed.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I uh...WANT...my models to look like girls. So. The idea that models can only "look like girls" if their sexual characteristics are hyperemphasized is part of the problem. No one complains that Space Marines don't "look like men" because they lack enormous codpieces. Full fluff response: Having the Marines be a brotherhood (giant warrior monks) and the Sisters be a sisterhood (battle nuns) is a good balance of single-sex factions in 40k, and fits with the faith-and-war facet of the Imperium. Shoehorning female Marines in would not improve 40k and would only hurt it. Having two different armies with different fluff is good- an army of "unenhanced" elite soldiers still wearing power armor with lower overall stats but various abilities to represent their unfailing devotion, etc, is a great contrast to the "we're good at everything but not very specialized" idea of Marines. However, differentiating the armies by gender is silly and backwards, and it falls back to the old "innate differences" argument that so much sexism originates from. Eldar, Tau, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, etc, etc, can all have armies not composed of one gender (even if in the fluff they are always all male 100% of the time except for the ones wearing sexy bondage outfits), why not Space Marines and Sisters of Battle as well? Marines are far more akin to knights than to monks- the ascetic parts of their fluff are essentially abandoned or forgotten in the modern incarnations. So have "Sisters (and Brothers) of Battle" represent the elite of the faithful and have "Space Marines" be the enhanced warriors- you lose nothing, either in fluff or army differentiation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Honestly, Im not going to get too deep in the woods on this. I love the models and how they look. I'm a guy. I dont need the world to be gender neutral. I think that entire idea is stupid. Girls are girls. Let them be. Guys are guys. Let them be. And Marines DO in fact have a codpiece. they are male in seemingly no uncertain terms. Which is fine. To me, the aesthetic is important, not the philosophy. If someone wants to make social statements in a war game cool but count me out. If it attacks their sense of verisimilitude, I'll buy that too, but ti doesnt attack mine. It just seems like an almost literal "nothing" to get too worried about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 You're making a social statement either way. It's just a matter of what kind of statement you want to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I dont need the world to be gender neutral. I think that entire idea is stupid. Girls are girls. Let them be. Guys are guys. Let them be. And Marines DO in fact have a codpiece. they are male in seemingly no uncertain terms. Which is fine. I guess I feel like segregating the world by gender isn't actually a great plan. Or, more accurately, it's a plan we thought was great a century or two ago but have now started to realize that maybe it's not so hot. And yes, Marines do have armor over their crotch- but it isn't hyper-emphasized the way a boobplate is. You never see male models with their dicks almost hanging out; you don't see codpieces shaped to emphasize their penis and how huge it is. Male and female representation in the game are vastly different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I uh...WANT...my models to look like girls. So. I'd prefer they look like women. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagunk Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I'd prefer they look like women. And I prefer that they look like people . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluger Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Just to chime in, I don't like high heels and boob plate for the same reason I don't like Marines with no helmets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Just to chime in, I don't like high heels and boob plate for the same reason I don't like Marines with no helmets. Helmets are for those who fear. We know no fear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretre Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 A few of the keen-eyed among you noticed the similarities between this bit of sprue we showed you and the Tech-Priest Dominus kit, which is not entirely off the mark, and to be fair, who* could have expected the ancient Belasarius Cawl? *No one, that’s who. Check back next week to see more snippets of the future! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Pleasing to the eye, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Sisters still have the Gothic look and the boob plates, I'm glad. Part crunch part fluff response: Sisters get T3 because they haven't been genetically modified and beefed up from their teenage years like Space Marines have. It differentiates the armies as well; Marines are the elite strike force, Sisters (can be, and I think should be) more of a "horde of the faithful". Power armored nuns in numbers. Full fluff response: Having the Marines be a brotherhood (giant warrior monks) and the Sisters be a sisterhood (battle nuns) is a good balance of single-sex factions in 40k, and fits with the faith-and-war facet of the Imperium. Shoehorning female Marines in would not improve 40k and would only hurt it. (It also sounds like you're suggesting 40k gets an all-female army, but no all-male army counterpart. Sounds like Segmentum No Fun Allowed.) Regarding T3 vs T4, I understand that's the fluff, but what I'm seeing is GW establishing that PA girls aren't as strong as PA men in the 40k universe. SM used to include female SM, that's in the old fluff. Sisters of Battle is the only exclusively mono-gender army in the game with respect to old and new lore. If anything, Sisters of battle is a horribly sexist army and doesn't help GW establish 40k as a female gamer friendly setting. I don't suggest they destroy or alter the sisters of battle, but I think the other GW armies could really benefit from an increase in female representation. I'd like to see female SM mixed in with normal SM (with no discernable difference in stats or abilities). They'd still be a "brother" in respects to how the SM describe their battle brothers, they'd just be physically female. And in terms of armor, I wouldn't change a thing. Uniformity is important to an army's appearance, and I don't really think the "Male" power armor is any more suited for men than it would be for women. The Black Carapace might be a bit different, but that wouldn't affect the model itself. Just a fluffy thing, I think BA already have the heads for adding females without helmets.... And I'd really like to see both of those old PA female RT models get new special characters. I'd put one for CSM, and another for SM. Chaos, could also really benefit from some female additions, especially since they switched back to that one-boob slaanesh build. AoS/Fantasy is a bit better in this respect, but it is still very lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarlordGhrom Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 do it like Eldar. The guardians are both sexes (old model range at least). And the badass melee characters they have are all women...Howl this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Did someone say heels? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PourSpelur Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Something overtly sexual yet inhuman in a Geiger creation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skkipper Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Something overtly sexual yet inhuman in a Geiger creation? Nope never happens. Move along!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 To me, pax, that's even more objectionable tokenism. I am cool with Sisters and boobplate because of the grimdark, personally- the Thor "no men under arms" decree that disbanded the Frateris militia, coupled with "THESE ARE WOMEN SEE THE WOMANNESS" of their elaborate armor. You're also wrong in equating Marines and Sisters flatout. It's Guard that they are intended as equivalent to, not Marines. It's disingenuous to claim "but to an outsider, they're both in power armor". Outsiders don't know what power armor is, to make the comparison. 40k is grimdark historic. Making it fit modern mores is frankly inappropriate- in my opinion. Just say it seems sexist to you and nove on- don't try to prove subjective statements right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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