Munkie Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 I'm glad they're changing the character targeting rules. That was, by far, the worst thing about 8th edition (in conjunction with ITC prevalence of LoS blocking terrain). On several occasions, my shooting phase had to be skipped entirely because the only models I could see were characters, but there were closer, unseen models that somehow therefore preventing me from shooting. It made no narrative sense, didn't seem to be supported by the rules, yet I've been told many times "that's just how it works". Thank God it no longer "works" like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewgeddon Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Hmmm, interesting point about the Penitent Engines. I just ordered two boxes with the intent on using them as Mortifiers, I wonder if the changes to how flamers work in combat warrants taking the Engines instead now, even though Mv 7 vs Mv9 still sucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor66 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Munkie said: I'm glad they're changing the character targeting rules. That was, by far, the worst thing about 8th edition (in conjunction with ITC prevalence of LoS blocking terrain). On several occasions, my shooting phase had to be skipped entirely because the only models I could see were characters, but there were closer, unseen models that somehow therefore preventing me from shooting. It made no narrative sense, didn't seem to be supported by the rules, yet I've been told many times "that's just how it works". Thank God it no longer "works" like that. How do the rules previewed differ from the current rules for targeting purposes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroStride Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 The current rules for targeting apply, with the addition of: The character must be within 3" of a vehicle/monster, or within 3" of a unit with at least 3 models. See the big "Look Out, Sir" box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor66 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, ZeroStride said: The current rules for targeting apply, with the addition of: The character must be within 3" of a vehicle/monster, or within 3" of a unit with at least 3 models. See the big "Look Out, Sir" box. Ah, nice, that 3 inch addition will make it feel much better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 I’m still not clear on what happens if the enemy character is within 3” of an appropriate unit but the character is visible and the unit is not (and both character and unit are equidistant or the unit is closer). If Captain Hero has come ‘round the corner of a building, but line of sight to Grunt Squad is still blocked by it... Can the enemy shoot Captain Hero or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Ish said: I’m still not clear on what happens if the enemy character is within 3” of an appropriate unit but the character is visible and the unit is not (and both character and unit are equidistant or the unit is closer). If Captain Hero has come ‘round the corner of a building, but line of sight to Grunt Squad is still blocked by it... Can the enemy shoot Captain Hero or not? Based on the wording, I would say not. You can't shoot him unless he's visible and closest. If either of those things is untrue, he cannot be targeted. Still conceptually silly, but not as easily abused. For instance, one of the games where the TO ruled that I was not allowed to have a shooting phase was one where a building deep in my opponent's table quarter contained TFCs and eliminators (no LoS required). Then they had techmarines with cannons standing on top, in plain view. Then they infiltrated a scout squad into the first floor of a building in the neutral table quarter nearest to mine. The presence of the scout squad sitting 5 feet away from his characters turned my shooting phase off entirely. Absolutely nothing I could do to counter play. I was not allowed to shoot until my opponent decided to allow me to. That's much harder to pull off now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 So. The Sisters of Battle, which as you all know are the consistently most awesome and inarguably righte and good choice, as far as armies go, have once again been chosen to deliver unto you the Imperial Truth in this article. And you're welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lord Hanaur said: So. The Sisters of Battle, which as you all know are the consistently most awesome and inarguably righte and good choice, as far as armies go, have once again been chosen to deliver unto you the Imperial Truth in this article. to be the absolutely last faction to get a codex in the current edition. Fixed that for you. Getting the last codex of an edition as much a part of their character as fleur-de-lys and flame-throwers, has been since practically day one. The first Codex: Sisters of Battle back in Second Edition came out a mere two months before Third Edition; they spent third edition standing around with just the “back of the book” list for years until Codex: Witchhunters came out in 2003, a mere eight months before Fourth Edition; and then they had to wait nine years and three editions for Codex: Sisters of Battle during Sixth Edition in 2013, followed shortly by Seventh Edition... during which, once again, they never got a codex. Here we are at the arse-end of Eighth Edition and their shiny new codex is one again the last in the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 However, the arse-end does tend to contain the truth. Even if it is smeared across a length of prayer scroll. So I think it was still technically correct 💩 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Long live the Ecclesiarchy! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Kamikaze Orks! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Monkey Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ish said: Kamikaze Orks! That's awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Oops, I left out a key bit: Matt: Burna-bommers were already good, but the changes to Flyers in the new edition make them even better (take two!). While they’re great flying around immolating targets, they’re even better if someone is foolish enough to shoot it down. Unlike most other exploding vehicles, Burna-bommers explode on a 4+ instead of a 6+, and they do 3 mortal wounds instead of D3. With the Flyin’ ‘Eadbutt Stratagem from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast, you can guarantee that it will crash and burn. So rush them into the middle of your opponent’s gunline and do an incredible amount of damage. Emphasis added. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Salty Monkey said: That's awesome! It also already exists. I had an opponent do that to me just the other day. Pretty brutal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Well, it’s new to me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I can't wait to use that Strat. Haven't had a game since Saga of the Beast released. Stoooopid coronavirus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hanaur Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Ish said: Kamikaze Orks! Hell yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I was trying a Supreme Command detachment with the new harlequin rules. His Flying Eadbutt hit a death jester, 2 troupe masters, a shadowseer, a raider, and a venom. 6 units and he rolled 5 3s and a 1. I didn't understand why he killed his plane that had 6 wounds left until my army took 16 mortal wounds. Then I understood too well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 You shake your fists at the lost battle game,Too much waaagh! drives a ork insane, He broke your elf, put `em back in the self, Goodness gracious, great balls of fire! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Well, turns out a half-broken elf can still gut a warboss like a fish. A plane crash only half-breaks elfs, dontchano. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Orks always win! If dey die, it don’t count as a “loss” cuz dey’re dead. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Works for me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 A refreshing update to the Cleanse mission that I loved back in Third Edition... and one that will be a right pain in the ass for the Custodes army I’m planning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackvigil Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 My Eldar should have little problem zooming shooty tanks to the different quadrants, and delivering dakka from there while earning some VP. That's nice. This is going to be tough for foot slogging armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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